posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think independant cinema is defintely struggling in the streaming world. Before a film could be made for cheap without too much expectation and would actually do quite well on VHS and DVD sales, these days with streaming it's harder and harder for independant movies with more unique stories to make much money so film companies are far less willing to get them made.
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There's a strong argument that we're living through the golden age of TV right now, and the streaming model is fuelling that, just as it's creating issues for independent film. Streamers have access to an almost global market, which means massive audiences are available for innovative & intelligent shows, and in fact more expensive subscription platforms need these prestige shows to capture audience who can easily go to free channels for cheap content. And of course it's longer form content that generates re-subscribes, not one-off movies.
Anyway, thinking about the video narrative content that has impacted me the most over the last five years, it's nearly all TV shows - Better Call Saul, Fargo, Succession, Ripley... That's partly because of the relative state of TV / cinema. Partly because I'm part of that societal trend of not going to the cinema as often.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
Yeah defintely. Severance at the moment is essential viewing imo. White Lotus is always worth a watch too in a more lighthearted way.
It's a shame though, as while I enjoy TV, there is something about telling a story within 90-120 minutes. Film lengths in generally are getting way too long recently. Sometimes you just need a Woody Allen film and knowing it won't be longer than 90 minutes.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
Yeah defintely. Severance at the moment is essential viewing imo. White Lotus is always worth a watch too in a more lighthearted way.
It's a shame though, as while I enjoy TV, there is something about telling a story within 90-120 minutes. Film lengths in generally are getting way too long recently. Sometimes you just need a Woody Allen film and knowing it won't be longer than 90 minutes.
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Severance is incredible. A great example of the kind of artistic ambition that used to be associated with auteur cinema and very rare in TV until the business models of the two industries were disrupted by streaming.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
I thought it was quite a weak year especially given 2023 was so strong
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think independant cinema is defintely struggling in the streaming world. Before a film could be made for cheap without too much expectation and would actually do quite well on VHS and DVD sales, these days with streaming it's harder and harder for independant movies with more unique stories to make much money so film companies are far less willing to get them made.
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There's a strong argument that we're living through the golden age of TV right now, and the streaming model is fuelling that, just as it's creating issues for independent film. Streamers have access to an almost global market, which means massive audiences are available for innovative & intelligent shows, and in fact more expensive subscription platforms need these prestige shows to capture audience who can easily go to free channels for cheap content. And of course it's longer form content that generates re-subscribes, not one-off movies.
Anyway, thinking about the video narrative content that has impacted me the most over the last five years, it's nearly all TV shows - Better Call Saul, Fargo, Succession, Ripley... That's partly because of the relative state of TV / cinema. Partly because I'm part of that societal trend of not going to the cinema as often.
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I don't know about the golden age of TV. There's certainly more of it around and I should admit I haven't explored a lot of it, other than the more popular mainstream ones. When I think of peak TV comedy for example though, it's got to be in the 90's/early 2000's era. Nothing since comes close to I'm Alan Partridge, Spaced, Brass Eye, Fast Show, The Simpsons when it was good, Bottom, Red Dwarf, The Day Today, League of Gentlemen, The Office. Stand up comedians were better then too.
Unless it's an age thing and that's just what I grew up with when younger?
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
Spurtle, I tend to agree about comedies. There are some great shows from later than your list, e.g. Peep Show & The Thick of It extend into the 2010s. More recently, I caught up with 'Dave' last year and found that clever and funny. 'Atlanta' is a great show that dips into black comedy. 'Catastrophe' is good. But it doesn't feel like comedy is the focus of the great TV of our time. Or maybe I'm missing the great comedy that's being produced today.
On the other hand, I think the best prestige drama of today is significantly better than the 90s and 00s.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Very enjoyable movie, all of Baker's films are fun to watch.
Winning best picture doesn't really mean much these days, have you seen the garbage that have won it in recent years?! Apart from some alright films there really hasn't been a great winner since No Country. Oppenheimer, EEAAW, Coda, Green Book, Shape of the Water, The Artist, Slumdog, Crash and Chicago are terrible.
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I really enjoyed Green Book.
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Yeah they're not terrible, they're just not classics like winners of previous years. It's not exactly the fault of the Oscars though as generally films are not as good anymore.
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Didn't Rocky and forrest gump win oscars? two crap movies imo.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
It’s crazy how many young people have gone on to great success after Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (Austin Butler, Maddison, Maya Hawke, Sydney Sweeney, Margaret Qualley and Victoria Pedretti)
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posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
Spurtle, I tend to agree about comedies. There are some great shows from later than your list, e.g. Peep Show & The Thick of It extend into the 2010s. More recently, I caught up with 'Dave' last year and found that clever and funny. 'Atlanta' is a great show that dips into black comedy. 'Catastrophe' is good. But it doesn't feel like comedy is the focus of the great TV of our time. Or maybe I'm missing the great comedy that's being produced today.
On the other hand, I think the best prestige drama of today is significantly better than the 90s and 00s.
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You could be correct about the quality of dramas although there must be a lot of run of the mill stuff that's getting churned out due to the demands from all these streaming channels we have now.
Mainstream comedy has become a bit too safe now. There's no way something like Brass Eye would get commissioned today for instance.
I'd also say the role of the digital age and social media hasn't helped matters.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
Comedy has changed a lot in recent years and the days of sitcoms are long gone. I’d class stuff like Succession, Atlanta, The Rehersal, Curb, Nathan for You, How to with John Wilson and White Lotus are all excellent TV shows that have varying degrees of comedy. Then going back a bit more you have Louie, Tim & Eric and Eastbound which were all brilliant. Sadly British comedy in recent years has really slumped.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
Brass Eye could be commissioned today. Maybe it's not what domestic broadcasters are looking at, but that's a decreasing fraction of what's produced these days.
posted 1 week, 6 days ago
Just tried wat hing anora, switched it off before even half way in an absolute borefest. How did she get best lead actress btw all she did was fack and scream lol the connection between the two main chars was awful i didnt get it at all if they liked eachother or not next thing theyre getting married? Some dude showed up and she screamed for ten mins. Switched it off.
posted 1 week, 6 days ago
Also her accent was annoying af
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posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think independant cinema is defintely struggling in the streaming world. Before a film could be made for cheap without too much expectation and would actually do quite well on VHS and DVD sales, these days with streaming it's harder and harder for independant movies with more unique stories to make much money so film companies are far less willing to get them made.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's a strong argument that we're living through the golden age of TV right now, and the streaming model is fuelling that, just as it's creating issues for independent film. Streamers have access to an almost global market, which means massive audiences are available for innovative & intelligent shows, and in fact more expensive subscription platforms need these prestige shows to capture audience who can easily go to free channels for cheap content. And of course it's longer form content that generates re-subscribes, not one-off movies.
Anyway, thinking about the video narrative content that has impacted me the most over the last five years, it's nearly all TV shows - Better Call Saul, Fargo, Succession, Ripley... That's partly because of the relative state of TV / cinema. Partly because I'm part of that societal trend of not going to the cinema as often.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
Yeah defintely. Severance at the moment is essential viewing imo. White Lotus is always worth a watch too in a more lighthearted way.
It's a shame though, as while I enjoy TV, there is something about telling a story within 90-120 minutes. Film lengths in generally are getting way too long recently. Sometimes you just need a Woody Allen film and knowing it won't be longer than 90 minutes.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
Yeah defintely. Severance at the moment is essential viewing imo. White Lotus is always worth a watch too in a more lighthearted way.
It's a shame though, as while I enjoy TV, there is something about telling a story within 90-120 minutes. Film lengths in generally are getting way too long recently. Sometimes you just need a Woody Allen film and knowing it won't be longer than 90 minutes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Severance is incredible. A great example of the kind of artistic ambition that used to be associated with auteur cinema and very rare in TV until the business models of the two industries were disrupted by streaming.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
I thought it was quite a weak year especially given 2023 was so strong
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think independant cinema is defintely struggling in the streaming world. Before a film could be made for cheap without too much expectation and would actually do quite well on VHS and DVD sales, these days with streaming it's harder and harder for independant movies with more unique stories to make much money so film companies are far less willing to get them made.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's a strong argument that we're living through the golden age of TV right now, and the streaming model is fuelling that, just as it's creating issues for independent film. Streamers have access to an almost global market, which means massive audiences are available for innovative & intelligent shows, and in fact more expensive subscription platforms need these prestige shows to capture audience who can easily go to free channels for cheap content. And of course it's longer form content that generates re-subscribes, not one-off movies.
Anyway, thinking about the video narrative content that has impacted me the most over the last five years, it's nearly all TV shows - Better Call Saul, Fargo, Succession, Ripley... That's partly because of the relative state of TV / cinema. Partly because I'm part of that societal trend of not going to the cinema as often.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know about the golden age of TV. There's certainly more of it around and I should admit I haven't explored a lot of it, other than the more popular mainstream ones. When I think of peak TV comedy for example though, it's got to be in the 90's/early 2000's era. Nothing since comes close to I'm Alan Partridge, Spaced, Brass Eye, Fast Show, The Simpsons when it was good, Bottom, Red Dwarf, The Day Today, League of Gentlemen, The Office. Stand up comedians were better then too.
Unless it's an age thing and that's just what I grew up with when younger?
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
Spurtle, I tend to agree about comedies. There are some great shows from later than your list, e.g. Peep Show & The Thick of It extend into the 2010s. More recently, I caught up with 'Dave' last year and found that clever and funny. 'Atlanta' is a great show that dips into black comedy. 'Catastrophe' is good. But it doesn't feel like comedy is the focus of the great TV of our time. Or maybe I'm missing the great comedy that's being produced today.
On the other hand, I think the best prestige drama of today is significantly better than the 90s and 00s.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Very enjoyable movie, all of Baker's films are fun to watch.
Winning best picture doesn't really mean much these days, have you seen the garbage that have won it in recent years?! Apart from some alright films there really hasn't been a great winner since No Country. Oppenheimer, EEAAW, Coda, Green Book, Shape of the Water, The Artist, Slumdog, Crash and Chicago are terrible.
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I really enjoyed Green Book.
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Yeah they're not terrible, they're just not classics like winners of previous years. It's not exactly the fault of the Oscars though as generally films are not as good anymore.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't Rocky and forrest gump win oscars? two crap movies imo.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
It’s crazy how many young people have gone on to great success after Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (Austin Butler, Maddison, Maya Hawke, Sydney Sweeney, Margaret Qualley and Victoria Pedretti)
======
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
Spurtle, I tend to agree about comedies. There are some great shows from later than your list, e.g. Peep Show & The Thick of It extend into the 2010s. More recently, I caught up with 'Dave' last year and found that clever and funny. 'Atlanta' is a great show that dips into black comedy. 'Catastrophe' is good. But it doesn't feel like comedy is the focus of the great TV of our time. Or maybe I'm missing the great comedy that's being produced today.
On the other hand, I think the best prestige drama of today is significantly better than the 90s and 00s.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could be correct about the quality of dramas although there must be a lot of run of the mill stuff that's getting churned out due to the demands from all these streaming channels we have now.
Mainstream comedy has become a bit too safe now. There's no way something like Brass Eye would get commissioned today for instance.
I'd also say the role of the digital age and social media hasn't helped matters.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
Comedy has changed a lot in recent years and the days of sitcoms are long gone. I’d class stuff like Succession, Atlanta, The Rehersal, Curb, Nathan for You, How to with John Wilson and White Lotus are all excellent TV shows that have varying degrees of comedy. Then going back a bit more you have Louie, Tim & Eric and Eastbound which were all brilliant. Sadly British comedy in recent years has really slumped.
posted 2 weeks, 3 days ago
Brass Eye could be commissioned today. Maybe it's not what domestic broadcasters are looking at, but that's a decreasing fraction of what's produced these days.
posted 1 week, 6 days ago
Just tried wat hing anora, switched it off before even half way in an absolute borefest. How did she get best lead actress btw all she did was fack and scream lol the connection between the two main chars was awful i didnt get it at all if they liked eachother or not next thing theyre getting married? Some dude showed up and she screamed for ten mins. Switched it off.
posted 1 week, 6 days ago
Also her accent was annoying af
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