Good Luck from an English Londoner. It must be the Gareth Bale Wales thing
sending off - for a sport that has video technology why not use it before sending the bloke off,ruined the game.
come on wales
Why send off a player after one bad tackle, so early in the game. At the most a yellow, game ruined now by the ref
Poor tackle. Could have broke his back and neck.
Ask yourselves who would make the best world champions after the tournament for the next 4 years,it most certainly would not be Wales.
this welsh side are as brave and game as they come !!
do it for bale
Unlucky Guys the Welsh were Robbed !
You did yourselves proud !
Great game spoiled by a poor refereeing decision.
Hard luck, but your boys did you proud..
I usually like having a dig at the Welsh guys on this forum, they're as passionate as us South Africans when it comes to the game.
This morning I feel like SA lost. Terrible luck for Wales, you deserved the final. Hope this is the start of a golden period if Welsh rugby.
Jammy France. Jammy in Football and jammy in Rugby. They got a late penality in the euro's a few days ago, a bloody handball against us in the world cup play offs and now fluked into the final.
Wales deserved the final.
Wales should have won today but the red card was the right call.
Referees sometimes need to realise the magnitude and importance of certain games and see that early decisions like the one we saw will ultimately decide the match.
By law the challenge is illegal, but sport is not black and white, there is always a massive grey area, and the ref should have known that the red so early on in the game will dictate the match.
Yellow at best the challenge.
The red card was the right call?
Look, I'm ABW as much as the next person but that statement is ridiculous.
You dont know that the rules were changed in August then?
This is what referees made of it:-
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?13424-Wales-v-France-SF
red was right for me...
but boy,the welsh can be proud of those boy's,brave brave fight,to play that lenght of time with a man down......
won't pretend oi was cheering for them,as i asn't..but a GREAT effort nonetheless....
Can't say I'm happy about it but having just read the directive via the link posted above then Rolland made the correct decision.
Here is a short extract.
To summarise, the possible scenarios when a tackler horizontally lifts a player off the
ground:
∞ The player is lifted and then forced or “speared” into the ground. A red card
should be issued for this type of tackle.
∞ The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the
player’s safety. A red card should be issued for this type of tackle.
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He wasn't speared though. Speared is where you drive the player into the ground and no such thing happened. He also clearly doesn't land on his head.
Yellow card -
Red - Obviously harsh.
Redknapp, read the second part where a player is dropped from height, red card. If James Hook had put the two very kickable penalties over then this debate would fizzle out, It's gonna rumble on though because Wales lost. I am Welsh by the way.
the bottom line is the ref did his job according to the laws of the game. And the laws of the game are pretty clear in this area. to be truly objective you have to look at the situation from his point of view, and he was given little choice.
To be fair from a neutral point of view i like to see a ref who takes the decision on him self and is not afraid. so many others puss out of making difficult decisions.
I understand people will be disappointed, and believe that the card ruined the game but that logic could be applied to warburton, you could also say that by making the dangerous tackle and getting himself sent off runied the game. And the ref just did his job.
Anyway, wales deserved to win and didn't so thats the net result and its unfortunate.
What happened to Stephen Jones? 71 mins he was 25 meters out in the centre of the pitch. never an easier place to go for the drop goal and he decided to run the ball and knocked it on. made no sense. bad decision making and alot of points left behind with the missed pens and the conversion.
He wasn't dropped from a big enough height to warrant a red. Anyone can see that Warburton did not mean to cause any harm. Shocking call. Yellow at worst.
Agreed it should have been a yellow, but to be fair, had Warburton stayed on, and Wales had won the game, the French would feel hard done by, and questioning the decision too.
It was a red, I can understand why you dont like it but it was a good decision.
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posted on 15/10/11
Good Luck from an English Londoner. It must be the Gareth Bale Wales thing
posted on 15/10/11
good luck boyos
posted on 15/10/11
sending off - for a sport that has video technology why not use it before sending the bloke off,ruined the game.
come on wales
posted on 15/10/11
Why send off a player after one bad tackle, so early in the game. At the most a yellow, game ruined now by the ref
posted on 15/10/11
Poor tackle. Could have broke his back and neck.
posted on 15/10/11
Ask yourselves who would make the best world champions after the tournament for the next 4 years,it most certainly would not be Wales.
posted on 15/10/11
GET IN YOU BEAUTY!!!!
posted on 15/10/11
this welsh side are as brave and game as they come !!
do it for bale
posted on 15/10/11
Unlucky Guys the Welsh were Robbed !
You did yourselves proud !
posted on 15/10/11
Great game spoiled by a poor refereeing decision.
Hard luck, but your boys did you proud..
posted on 15/10/11
I usually like having a dig at the Welsh guys on this forum, they're as passionate as us South Africans when it comes to the game.
This morning I feel like SA lost. Terrible luck for Wales, you deserved the final. Hope this is the start of a golden period if Welsh rugby.
posted on 15/10/11
Jammy France. Jammy in Football and jammy in Rugby. They got a late penality in the euro's a few days ago, a bloody handball against us in the world cup play offs and now fluked into the final.
Wales deserved the final.
posted on 15/10/11
Wales should have won today but the red card was the right call.
posted on 15/10/11
Referees sometimes need to realise the magnitude and importance of certain games and see that early decisions like the one we saw will ultimately decide the match.
By law the challenge is illegal, but sport is not black and white, there is always a massive grey area, and the ref should have known that the red so early on in the game will dictate the match.
Yellow at best the challenge.
posted on 15/10/11
The red card was the right call?
Look, I'm ABW as much as the next person but that statement is ridiculous.
posted on 15/10/11
You dont know that the rules were changed in August then?
This is what referees made of it:-
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?13424-Wales-v-France-SF
posted on 15/10/11
red was right for me...
but boy,the welsh can be proud of those boy's,brave brave fight,to play that lenght of time with a man down......
won't pretend oi was cheering for them,as i asn't..but a GREAT effort nonetheless....
posted on 15/10/11
Can't say I'm happy about it but having just read the directive via the link posted above then Rolland made the correct decision.
Here is a short extract.
To summarise, the possible scenarios when a tackler horizontally lifts a player off the
ground:
∞ The player is lifted and then forced or “speared” into the ground. A red card
should be issued for this type of tackle.
∞ The lifted player is dropped to the ground from a height with no regard to the
player’s safety. A red card should be issued for this type of tackle.
posted on 15/10/11
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 15/10/11
He wasn't speared though. Speared is where you drive the player into the ground and no such thing happened. He also clearly doesn't land on his head.
Yellow card -
Red - Obviously harsh.
posted on 15/10/11
Redknapp, read the second part where a player is dropped from height, red card. If James Hook had put the two very kickable penalties over then this debate would fizzle out, It's gonna rumble on though because Wales lost. I am Welsh by the way.
posted on 15/10/11
the bottom line is the ref did his job according to the laws of the game. And the laws of the game are pretty clear in this area. to be truly objective you have to look at the situation from his point of view, and he was given little choice.
To be fair from a neutral point of view i like to see a ref who takes the decision on him self and is not afraid. so many others puss out of making difficult decisions.
I understand people will be disappointed, and believe that the card ruined the game but that logic could be applied to warburton, you could also say that by making the dangerous tackle and getting himself sent off runied the game. And the ref just did his job.
Anyway, wales deserved to win and didn't so thats the net result and its unfortunate.
What happened to Stephen Jones? 71 mins he was 25 meters out in the centre of the pitch. never an easier place to go for the drop goal and he decided to run the ball and knocked it on. made no sense. bad decision making and alot of points left behind with the missed pens and the conversion.
posted on 15/10/11
He wasn't dropped from a big enough height to warrant a red. Anyone can see that Warburton did not mean to cause any harm. Shocking call. Yellow at worst.
posted on 15/10/11
Agreed it should have been a yellow, but to be fair, had Warburton stayed on, and Wales had won the game, the French would feel hard done by, and questioning the decision too.
posted on 15/10/11
It was a red, I can understand why you dont like it but it was a good decision.
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