The Penalty was a penalty unfortunately, the referee got that one right.
But Matt Mill's tackle did not deserve a red. I'm so annoyed at how it's being reported. It definitely WASN'T a late challenge.
The ball escaped him and to get extra reach he went airborn in the tackle, he then hits the floor, takes the ball and clears it before the birmingham city player comes in late and gets himself caught.
If anything, the brummy player should realize that he was never going to win the ball and should've pulled out from the challenge.
And then down at the other end we have a stone wall penalty turned down, and beausejour should've seen Red for kung fu kicking Peltier in the first half.
But, then again, we didn't play well, in fact, neither did birmingham and had we had 11 men I think we would've got an equalizer at the very least.
Oh well, let's lick our wounds and move on, watford wednesday, come on you blues!
I have just had my comments rejected by the spam filter. I don't know why. I was simply agreeing with the sentiment of the article in that the minute the porky official (sorry fatfox) entered the fray, we knew what would happen. The lads in the Cross Keys all predicted disaster - we knew at once he was saying "It's all about me".
The key decisions were plain wrong, with the ball nicked away in the tackle before significant contact was made.
His decisions were spot on. The penalty was correct. The red card was right. Two footed high tackle. Very dangerous. As for the Leicester penalty claim, Ridge got himself in the way as the ball was moving away from goal. We deserved the points for our second half display. If you'd taken advantage of our sloppiness in the first half things may have been different.
You must be blind Tony. How can it be a high tackle if both feet are on the ground when any contact is made?
Sorry, not sure why I said high. I meant studs up. Two footed, studs showing.
Penalty was a penalty and Mills deserved to go. We know he has a temper problem so don't defend him with bull....
We went for a safe point again by showing no real forward imagination in the first half.
Basically a poor display which we are always capable of unfortunately. We are the sort of side who could go out Wednesday and put 6 past Watford.
I watched the match on the BCC and listened to the BBC and Radio Leicester commentaries at the same time (easier than it sounds). It confirmed my impression that Youngy is hopelessly but very enjoyably partisan, and Stringer pretty balanced in his comments.
As for the match, I was pleased at the speed and reasonable precision with which we moved the ball around, but dismayed how hard we found it to make chances. Indeed we made almost none. Against a side that was certainly no better than us.
As for the turning points.....the penalty is always going to be given for tackle from behind even if the ball is taken entirely cleanly, which it very VERY nearly was - but wasn't quite. The better odds lay with a Schmeichel save, as he was on his usual excellent form.
The sending off was equally inevitable, from the moment Mills was moving horizontally at cruise missile speed, nine inches off the ground and studs first. If the roles had been reversed, Youngy would have been calling for life imprisonment (as it was, he wasn't convinced, of course...).
From then on we played better than we had all afternoon, and fully deserved a point, only to be hit by a sucker punch.
We live and learn. Roll on Watford.
The penalty was...well..maybe, but Mills had to go for that tackle. It was bad and luckily no injuries resulted from it. No complaints about that one.
Fans need to consider their expectations before buying a ticket for an away game this season.
Sven seems content on putting five across the middle and containing sides in the first half and then looking for an opportunity to steal it in the second half. Not the most entertaining way to play football but having seen all of our away games this season I am now convinced this style of play is his preferred way for the rest of the season.
The referee determined the game today without question and whilst he had no option but to red card Mills, he should have given the Birmingham lad a second yellow for his tackle on Peltier and confirmed he was a "homer" by not evening things by awarding King a penalty at the other end.
We were poor today, I don't think we had a clear shot on goal and Beckford looks a long way off getting his first goal for the club.
Lets hope the next two games provide us with some positive proof that today's performance was just a "blip".
It was a penalty
It was probably a sending off
The balance for me however is lost when Bausejour should have received a second yellow, and king should have had at least an indirect free kick for obstruction.
Two right decisions in birminghams favour, but two wrong ones against us.
Having said that, I thought we were very poor against a mediocre Birmingham side. We have to play a lot betterthan that if we harbour any hopes of promotion.
Obviously a bad result and a game that threw up many talking points. Firstly, I'm not too sure about their penalty and I've seen replays where it looks like he dives and seen ones where it looks like Andy nicks his foot. But what I would say is that the referee you can see that at the point of supposed impact, he's stretching his neck and trying to look around 2 or 3 players which means he can't have had the best view of the incident and I don't think he could have been 100% sure and I don't feel as a referee you can give a penalty unless you are absolutely certain that it is and I can't see how he could have been there. Dare I say it, had it been at the other end I don't think he would have given it.
The red card, I know Mills has gone in high and with two feet but I just think that if you go in for a tackle and you win the ball, I can't see how you can give a foul let alone a red card. If he had missed the ball and got the man then yes a red card would be justifiable but Matt's won the ball so I think that one was harsh. It reminded me of the Rodwell one against Liverpool and if we give red cards for challenges in which players win the ball, then it's going to become a non-contact sport. I think it did change the game as well and we wouldn't have been pushing forward in the manner that we were had we had 11 men and there wouldn't have been a massive Matt Mills shaped hole in the centre of defence. I can understand why Sven brought on John Pantsil because we did have 35-40 minutes of the game left so it was paramount we didn't concede another because we would have had no chance. If there had been say 15 minutes left then yes I would question it but I can understand Sven's thinking. As it was, I don't think John Pantsil had the best game when he came on. He failed to cover when Peltier when up for a header which let Marlon King in on goal and it was a good save by Kasper.
I think definitely Beausejour should have been sent off. Peltier beat him all ends up and he kicked out at him to stop him getting into the area. A blatant foul and had it been the other way round, I think our player might have been booked. The King penalty shout, I actually don't think it was. I think Ridgewell stood his ground as he was entitled to do and you could say King went looking for it a little bit. It was similar to Bamba vs Cardiff where he stood his ground and the player ran into him.
First half there was no doubt we dominated the ball and should have done more with it but Birmingham made it difficult for us to do that. I think Claridge gave a good analysis of the situation when he said that our midfield four were naturally narrow which you will always be when playing our system and that gave Birmingham two options: 1. Do what Derby did and play with an orthodox four across the middle which means that we will dominate possession in midfield but will also have more space to use the possession or 2. To play the four narrow and try and choke our midfield which is what they did and that is why we kept going square and back. I think it was also a reason why Birmingham didn't offer much going forward - because they had so many men behind the ball. We should have recognised this and the likes of Danns (who did this well against Derby) should have exploited the space out wide because when our full-backs got the ball, they were constantly having to pass inside and attacks stagnated. You don't have to be a winger to realise that there is space out wide and that you should use it. As a result we were too slow and ponderous in possession and too many times it was bad control, lack of movement and poor execution that cost us.
2nd half, I think Birmingham opened up a lot more and I think that would have suited us because we would have more space to play and create chances. As it was the game was changed by the red card. You could argue that we should have gone more attacking but last season we tried to play open attacking football every game and we had a good home record but an abysmal away record and I think Sven has set up more cautious away from home now and I think that is sensible. Later on in the season when the table has mapped itself out and we need to attack more away then we will but now, I think this approach is a shrewd one. At home, I think we will be more open and take the game to the opposition and away we will be more pragmatic. I think our game management was fairly decent up until the red card and I think we knew the game would open up 2nd half and played for it and so we didn't commit everyone forward like we would have maybe done 2nd half and I think Kapser said as much post match.
Going forward, I think nothing less than 6 points will do against Watford and Millwall and we responded well the last time we had a disappointing result and I think we're still capable of gaining promotion. I think Richie Wellens and Beckford should come in. Wellens improved us so much when he came on and he actually played further forward where he can influence the game more and he had the intelligence and the positional awareness to know when to pull wide and when to come in and get involved with the play. I think Beckford coming in is more a reflection on how poor Darius was than how well he did when he came on. Vassell didn't take on players like he has been doing recently and neither did he get close enough to Nugent that when he won a header, there was nobody near him. I think that with us playing a defensively succeptable Watford side I think the Nugent - Beckford strike force which has the potential to be very good.
Schmeichel
Peltier - Bamba - SSL - Konchesky
Abe
Fernandes - Wellens
King
Beckford - Nugent
Subs:
Weale
Pantsil
Danns
Johnson
Vassell
I've said it before and I'll say it again, all teams lose matches; but only the good ones respond.
Still unsure regarding the penalty Birmingham were given. And, although Mills' tackle was an absolute peach, timed to perfection it was a dangerous tackle due to him going in 2 footed. just not acceptable nowadays and i can see why it was a straight red. Our penalty shout however...... Andy king was clearly blocked off and the player who was doing the blocking had no intention of winning the ball, just purely blocking off the opposition player which is a foul, in the box, which SHOULD result in a penalty making it 1-1 and it would have been interesting to see what would have materialised after that
Their penalty: The Birmingham player got the ball first, King caught him. Correct decision.
The red card: Matt Mills flew through two-footed. While that kind of thing is occasionally shown leniency, the referee is perfectly justified in brandishing red. Correct decision.
Our penalty shout: When looking for an obstruction, you've got to at least try to run around the guy rather than charging straight into him. No penalty; correct decision.
There was nothing wrong with the oficiating. We lost because we didn't capitalise on our dominance in the first half and didn't match Birmingham at the start of the 2nd. Obviously well done to Brum, but that's a potential 3 points down the drain today and a suspension of our captain to boot. A bad day at the office, and we can't really afford too many more of them over the next few months.
Beausejour should have been carded for his tackle on Peltier, that would have been Birmingham down to ten men and the remainder of the game would have been played in a completely different manner. I think I am correct in saying that Mills was sent off after Beausejour was allowed the benefit of the doubt. The refereeing as at Forest was very one sided and did effect the outcome of the game.
I firmly believe that due to the "hype" surrounding our club this season we are not getting a fair rub of the green and this will continue throughout the season.
Truth Dung and the word fact come to mind. A bad day in the office and it will happen again.
King another game without a goal gave away a peno and tryed playing rugby,well he is Welsh Johnson to start on Wednesday.
Dunge has it right, for me. The ref acted like a bit of a clown, but there was nothing really wrong with his decisions at the key points. The folk in the BBC studio thought the same. We weren't clever or brave enough when we were on top, so all our possession got us zilch. King's tackle was not smart, and Mills' was downright stupid.
Wellens made a big difference, and has to be preferred to Danns. Konchesky and Peltier played well, and so did King I reckon, his one silly decision apart. Schmeichel was once again superb. Nugent had an off-day, and Vassell very nearly a day off, shot-shy as ever. Beckford was extremely disappointing, and is hard to prefer to Howard or Schlupp, for my money.
But two games now come up quickly, both very winnable if the team gets its proper head on. I have made elaborate plans to be at the Millwall game with my lad: don't let me down, guys....
Dunge - I agree other than the King decision. Absolutely anywhere on the pitch other than in the box, that would have been given as a free kick.
It wouldn't annoy me if the ref hadn't have given the benefit of the doubt to the Birmingham player but not ours.
Anyway, I totally agree that we didn't lose the game because of the ref. We lost it because we were poor. Very, very poor.
Birmingham fan here
I think you're wrong on the Mills tackle, it was a defintie red
However, Beausejour was very fortunate to escape without further punishment and I too thought you should have had a penalty.
From my view (behind that goal) it looked a stonewaller, I was expecting the ref to point at the spot and was surprised he didn't
Good luck for the rest of the season
Firstly, RESPECT to all the Leicester fans today for sharing the one minutes appreciation for Harry Moseley.
Thank You.
The Dungeon master has given the most balanced view of all on this thread.
The penalty was given because the tackle was a foul tackle.
The red card. How can anyone of you defend Mills? He launched himself two footed, studs up and may have touched Terra firma when contact was made but the rules of the game say you cannot go in two footed with studs showing.
One person even blames Gomis for coming into the tackle late. My friend, Gomis was stationary.
Beausejour was indeed extremely fortunate to stay on the pitch but sometimes lady luck plays a part.
You penalty shout was just that, a shout, nothing more.
Our second came on the break and was very well taken and in all honesty it was only because of Schmeichel that it was not three or four nil.
Despite a poor first half from both sides, your passing is excellent and I would be amazed if you're not in the mix at the seasons end.
All the best for the rest of the season.
Couldn't let us have your manager could you?
I expect Birmingham to be very near the top come the end of the season with Houghton in charge!
Opinions are like bottoms - Everyone has one and they differ immensely - Here's mine (sorry just come back from a curry)
Both match changing decisions against Leicester's favour were correct - Come on fellow Leicester fans, we know they were even if we wish they weren't.
That said - I just wish the ref had displayed the same level of courage in his decision making when Birmingham transgressed as he did when Leicester fell foul of the rules - It should have been 1 red each and 1 peno each and that in my opinion would have been fair and is why I hope the ref has a life changing bad day tomorrow
Can't argue with any of this from Willie Bells Balls. But DangerFox is dead right about the ref's wretched inconsistency. Just another in a long line.
It was interesting to hear what Martin Keown said about Beauwhatever's foul on Lee Peltier.
He said,"I don't think it warranted a second yellow card which would have made it a sending off" or words to that effect.
Coming from an ex-pro (and let's just assume the referee was thinking down the same lines), it would appear it is acceptable to be cautioned for an offence and receive a first yellow card but not right to commit a further cautionable offence, which it was, just because 'it wasn't serious enough' as he could have been banished from taking any further part in the game.
Look, if you commit two cautionable offences, which the Birmingham player did, then you are off pal, irrespective of whether they are serious enough or not.
I think the Ref should have a RED CARD for time wasting.
Was his Brother the Ref in charge of the Wales / France game.
No complaint from me about you calling the official 'porky' Robster! However…
In the modern game, when you tackle from behind in the penalty area, your only hope is to take the ball clean. Ball *and* man is always going to be a penalty, and there did seem to me to be significant contact. While the Brummie player may have made a meal of it, we would expect one of our players to do exactly the same at the other end of the pitch. As it took MON at least a year to persuade Heskey, going down when you are fouled is not the same as diving.
Mills: two-footed, studs showing. Don't particularly blame the lad, mind. Schmeichel's 'clearance' left him with a dreadful decision to reach, and very quickly. He made the wrong choice, but at least it's understandable. Don't think the ref could let it go. Red for me.
However, I think Beausejour was a little fortunate not to see red in the first half. When a player standing upright has a knee driven in his slats, it's an assault, not a tackle. Even my Derby mate, who spent the whole match winding me up, described that foul as "very nasty".
And I agree entirely with downsouf. When I heard that comment from Keown, I shouted 'BLX' at the TV. If a second yellow has to be worthy of a sending off in its own right, then there's simply no point in having a 'two yellows and you're off' rule. In fact, if players know that only an offence worth a red will get them sent off, there's barely any point in having a yellow card at all, because it has no power to caution the player.
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posted on 16/10/11
The Penalty was a penalty unfortunately, the referee got that one right.
But Matt Mill's tackle did not deserve a red. I'm so annoyed at how it's being reported. It definitely WASN'T a late challenge.
The ball escaped him and to get extra reach he went airborn in the tackle, he then hits the floor, takes the ball and clears it before the birmingham city player comes in late and gets himself caught.
If anything, the brummy player should realize that he was never going to win the ball and should've pulled out from the challenge.
And then down at the other end we have a stone wall penalty turned down, and beausejour should've seen Red for kung fu kicking Peltier in the first half.
But, then again, we didn't play well, in fact, neither did birmingham and had we had 11 men I think we would've got an equalizer at the very least.
Oh well, let's lick our wounds and move on, watford wednesday, come on you blues!
posted on 16/10/11
I have just had my comments rejected by the spam filter. I don't know why. I was simply agreeing with the sentiment of the article in that the minute the porky official (sorry fatfox) entered the fray, we knew what would happen. The lads in the Cross Keys all predicted disaster - we knew at once he was saying "It's all about me".
The key decisions were plain wrong, with the ball nicked away in the tackle before significant contact was made.
posted on 16/10/11
His decisions were spot on. The penalty was correct. The red card was right. Two footed high tackle. Very dangerous. As for the Leicester penalty claim, Ridge got himself in the way as the ball was moving away from goal. We deserved the points for our second half display. If you'd taken advantage of our sloppiness in the first half things may have been different.
posted on 16/10/11
You must be blind Tony. How can it be a high tackle if both feet are on the ground when any contact is made?
posted on 16/10/11
Sorry, not sure why I said high. I meant studs up. Two footed, studs showing.
posted on 16/10/11
Penalty was a penalty and Mills deserved to go. We know he has a temper problem so don't defend him with bull....
We went for a safe point again by showing no real forward imagination in the first half.
Basically a poor display which we are always capable of unfortunately. We are the sort of side who could go out Wednesday and put 6 past Watford.
posted on 16/10/11
I watched the match on the BCC and listened to the BBC and Radio Leicester commentaries at the same time (easier than it sounds). It confirmed my impression that Youngy is hopelessly but very enjoyably partisan, and Stringer pretty balanced in his comments.
As for the match, I was pleased at the speed and reasonable precision with which we moved the ball around, but dismayed how hard we found it to make chances. Indeed we made almost none. Against a side that was certainly no better than us.
As for the turning points.....the penalty is always going to be given for tackle from behind even if the ball is taken entirely cleanly, which it very VERY nearly was - but wasn't quite. The better odds lay with a Schmeichel save, as he was on his usual excellent form.
The sending off was equally inevitable, from the moment Mills was moving horizontally at cruise missile speed, nine inches off the ground and studs first. If the roles had been reversed, Youngy would have been calling for life imprisonment (as it was, he wasn't convinced, of course...).
From then on we played better than we had all afternoon, and fully deserved a point, only to be hit by a sucker punch.
We live and learn. Roll on Watford.
posted on 16/10/11
The penalty was...well..maybe, but Mills had to go for that tackle. It was bad and luckily no injuries resulted from it. No complaints about that one.
posted on 16/10/11
Fans need to consider their expectations before buying a ticket for an away game this season.
Sven seems content on putting five across the middle and containing sides in the first half and then looking for an opportunity to steal it in the second half. Not the most entertaining way to play football but having seen all of our away games this season I am now convinced this style of play is his preferred way for the rest of the season.
The referee determined the game today without question and whilst he had no option but to red card Mills, he should have given the Birmingham lad a second yellow for his tackle on Peltier and confirmed he was a "homer" by not evening things by awarding King a penalty at the other end.
We were poor today, I don't think we had a clear shot on goal and Beckford looks a long way off getting his first goal for the club.
Lets hope the next two games provide us with some positive proof that today's performance was just a "blip".
posted on 16/10/11
It was a penalty
It was probably a sending off
The balance for me however is lost when Bausejour should have received a second yellow, and king should have had at least an indirect free kick for obstruction.
Two right decisions in birminghams favour, but two wrong ones against us.
Having said that, I thought we were very poor against a mediocre Birmingham side. We have to play a lot betterthan that if we harbour any hopes of promotion.
posted on 16/10/11
Obviously a bad result and a game that threw up many talking points. Firstly, I'm not too sure about their penalty and I've seen replays where it looks like he dives and seen ones where it looks like Andy nicks his foot. But what I would say is that the referee you can see that at the point of supposed impact, he's stretching his neck and trying to look around 2 or 3 players which means he can't have had the best view of the incident and I don't think he could have been 100% sure and I don't feel as a referee you can give a penalty unless you are absolutely certain that it is and I can't see how he could have been there. Dare I say it, had it been at the other end I don't think he would have given it.
The red card, I know Mills has gone in high and with two feet but I just think that if you go in for a tackle and you win the ball, I can't see how you can give a foul let alone a red card. If he had missed the ball and got the man then yes a red card would be justifiable but Matt's won the ball so I think that one was harsh. It reminded me of the Rodwell one against Liverpool and if we give red cards for challenges in which players win the ball, then it's going to become a non-contact sport. I think it did change the game as well and we wouldn't have been pushing forward in the manner that we were had we had 11 men and there wouldn't have been a massive Matt Mills shaped hole in the centre of defence. I can understand why Sven brought on John Pantsil because we did have 35-40 minutes of the game left so it was paramount we didn't concede another because we would have had no chance. If there had been say 15 minutes left then yes I would question it but I can understand Sven's thinking. As it was, I don't think John Pantsil had the best game when he came on. He failed to cover when Peltier when up for a header which let Marlon King in on goal and it was a good save by Kasper.
I think definitely Beausejour should have been sent off. Peltier beat him all ends up and he kicked out at him to stop him getting into the area. A blatant foul and had it been the other way round, I think our player might have been booked. The King penalty shout, I actually don't think it was. I think Ridgewell stood his ground as he was entitled to do and you could say King went looking for it a little bit. It was similar to Bamba vs Cardiff where he stood his ground and the player ran into him.
First half there was no doubt we dominated the ball and should have done more with it but Birmingham made it difficult for us to do that. I think Claridge gave a good analysis of the situation when he said that our midfield four were naturally narrow which you will always be when playing our system and that gave Birmingham two options: 1. Do what Derby did and play with an orthodox four across the middle which means that we will dominate possession in midfield but will also have more space to use the possession or 2. To play the four narrow and try and choke our midfield which is what they did and that is why we kept going square and back. I think it was also a reason why Birmingham didn't offer much going forward - because they had so many men behind the ball. We should have recognised this and the likes of Danns (who did this well against Derby) should have exploited the space out wide because when our full-backs got the ball, they were constantly having to pass inside and attacks stagnated. You don't have to be a winger to realise that there is space out wide and that you should use it. As a result we were too slow and ponderous in possession and too many times it was bad control, lack of movement and poor execution that cost us.
2nd half, I think Birmingham opened up a lot more and I think that would have suited us because we would have more space to play and create chances. As it was the game was changed by the red card. You could argue that we should have gone more attacking but last season we tried to play open attacking football every game and we had a good home record but an abysmal away record and I think Sven has set up more cautious away from home now and I think that is sensible. Later on in the season when the table has mapped itself out and we need to attack more away then we will but now, I think this approach is a shrewd one. At home, I think we will be more open and take the game to the opposition and away we will be more pragmatic. I think our game management was fairly decent up until the red card and I think we knew the game would open up 2nd half and played for it and so we didn't commit everyone forward like we would have maybe done 2nd half and I think Kapser said as much post match.
Going forward, I think nothing less than 6 points will do against Watford and Millwall and we responded well the last time we had a disappointing result and I think we're still capable of gaining promotion. I think Richie Wellens and Beckford should come in. Wellens improved us so much when he came on and he actually played further forward where he can influence the game more and he had the intelligence and the positional awareness to know when to pull wide and when to come in and get involved with the play. I think Beckford coming in is more a reflection on how poor Darius was than how well he did when he came on. Vassell didn't take on players like he has been doing recently and neither did he get close enough to Nugent that when he won a header, there was nobody near him. I think that with us playing a defensively succeptable Watford side I think the Nugent - Beckford strike force which has the potential to be very good.
Schmeichel
Peltier - Bamba - SSL - Konchesky
Abe
Fernandes - Wellens
King
Beckford - Nugent
Subs:
Weale
Pantsil
Danns
Johnson
Vassell
I've said it before and I'll say it again, all teams lose matches; but only the good ones respond.
posted on 16/10/11
Still unsure regarding the penalty Birmingham were given. And, although Mills' tackle was an absolute peach, timed to perfection it was a dangerous tackle due to him going in 2 footed. just not acceptable nowadays and i can see why it was a straight red. Our penalty shout however...... Andy king was clearly blocked off and the player who was doing the blocking had no intention of winning the ball, just purely blocking off the opposition player which is a foul, in the box, which SHOULD result in a penalty making it 1-1 and it would have been interesting to see what would have materialised after that
posted on 16/10/11
Their penalty: The Birmingham player got the ball first, King caught him. Correct decision.
The red card: Matt Mills flew through two-footed. While that kind of thing is occasionally shown leniency, the referee is perfectly justified in brandishing red. Correct decision.
Our penalty shout: When looking for an obstruction, you've got to at least try to run around the guy rather than charging straight into him. No penalty; correct decision.
There was nothing wrong with the oficiating. We lost because we didn't capitalise on our dominance in the first half and didn't match Birmingham at the start of the 2nd. Obviously well done to Brum, but that's a potential 3 points down the drain today and a suspension of our captain to boot. A bad day at the office, and we can't really afford too many more of them over the next few months.
posted on 16/10/11
Beausejour should have been carded for his tackle on Peltier, that would have been Birmingham down to ten men and the remainder of the game would have been played in a completely different manner. I think I am correct in saying that Mills was sent off after Beausejour was allowed the benefit of the doubt. The refereeing as at Forest was very one sided and did effect the outcome of the game.
I firmly believe that due to the "hype" surrounding our club this season we are not getting a fair rub of the green and this will continue throughout the season.
posted on 16/10/11
Truth Dung and the word fact come to mind. A bad day in the office and it will happen again.
King another game without a goal gave away a peno and tryed playing rugby,well he is Welsh Johnson to start on Wednesday.
posted on 16/10/11
Dunge has it right, for me. The ref acted like a bit of a clown, but there was nothing really wrong with his decisions at the key points. The folk in the BBC studio thought the same. We weren't clever or brave enough when we were on top, so all our possession got us zilch. King's tackle was not smart, and Mills' was downright stupid.
Wellens made a big difference, and has to be preferred to Danns. Konchesky and Peltier played well, and so did King I reckon, his one silly decision apart. Schmeichel was once again superb. Nugent had an off-day, and Vassell very nearly a day off, shot-shy as ever. Beckford was extremely disappointing, and is hard to prefer to Howard or Schlupp, for my money.
But two games now come up quickly, both very winnable if the team gets its proper head on. I have made elaborate plans to be at the Millwall game with my lad: don't let me down, guys....
posted on 16/10/11
Dunge - I agree other than the King decision. Absolutely anywhere on the pitch other than in the box, that would have been given as a free kick.
It wouldn't annoy me if the ref hadn't have given the benefit of the doubt to the Birmingham player but not ours.
Anyway, I totally agree that we didn't lose the game because of the ref. We lost it because we were poor. Very, very poor.
posted on 16/10/11
Birmingham fan here
I think you're wrong on the Mills tackle, it was a defintie red
However, Beausejour was very fortunate to escape without further punishment and I too thought you should have had a penalty.
From my view (behind that goal) it looked a stonewaller, I was expecting the ref to point at the spot and was surprised he didn't
Good luck for the rest of the season
posted on 16/10/11
Firstly, RESPECT to all the Leicester fans today for sharing the one minutes appreciation for Harry Moseley.
Thank You.
The Dungeon master has given the most balanced view of all on this thread.
The penalty was given because the tackle was a foul tackle.
The red card. How can anyone of you defend Mills? He launched himself two footed, studs up and may have touched Terra firma when contact was made but the rules of the game say you cannot go in two footed with studs showing.
One person even blames Gomis for coming into the tackle late. My friend, Gomis was stationary.
Beausejour was indeed extremely fortunate to stay on the pitch but sometimes lady luck plays a part.
You penalty shout was just that, a shout, nothing more.
Our second came on the break and was very well taken and in all honesty it was only because of Schmeichel that it was not three or four nil.
Despite a poor first half from both sides, your passing is excellent and I would be amazed if you're not in the mix at the seasons end.
All the best for the rest of the season.
posted on 16/10/11
Couldn't let us have your manager could you?
I expect Birmingham to be very near the top come the end of the season with Houghton in charge!
posted on 16/10/11
Opinions are like bottoms - Everyone has one and they differ immensely - Here's mine (sorry just come back from a curry)
Both match changing decisions against Leicester's favour were correct - Come on fellow Leicester fans, we know they were even if we wish they weren't.
That said - I just wish the ref had displayed the same level of courage in his decision making when Birmingham transgressed as he did when Leicester fell foul of the rules - It should have been 1 red each and 1 peno each and that in my opinion would have been fair and is why I hope the ref has a life changing bad day tomorrow
posted on 16/10/11
Can't argue with any of this from Willie Bells Balls. But DangerFox is dead right about the ref's wretched inconsistency. Just another in a long line.
posted on 16/10/11
It was interesting to hear what Martin Keown said about Beauwhatever's foul on Lee Peltier.
He said,"I don't think it warranted a second yellow card which would have made it a sending off" or words to that effect.
Coming from an ex-pro (and let's just assume the referee was thinking down the same lines), it would appear it is acceptable to be cautioned for an offence and receive a first yellow card but not right to commit a further cautionable offence, which it was, just because 'it wasn't serious enough' as he could have been banished from taking any further part in the game.
Look, if you commit two cautionable offences, which the Birmingham player did, then you are off pal, irrespective of whether they are serious enough or not.
posted on 17/10/11
I think the Ref should have a RED CARD for time wasting.
Was his Brother the Ref in charge of the Wales / France game.
posted on 17/10/11
No complaint from me about you calling the official 'porky' Robster! However…
In the modern game, when you tackle from behind in the penalty area, your only hope is to take the ball clean. Ball *and* man is always going to be a penalty, and there did seem to me to be significant contact. While the Brummie player may have made a meal of it, we would expect one of our players to do exactly the same at the other end of the pitch. As it took MON at least a year to persuade Heskey, going down when you are fouled is not the same as diving.
Mills: two-footed, studs showing. Don't particularly blame the lad, mind. Schmeichel's 'clearance' left him with a dreadful decision to reach, and very quickly. He made the wrong choice, but at least it's understandable. Don't think the ref could let it go. Red for me.
However, I think Beausejour was a little fortunate not to see red in the first half. When a player standing upright has a knee driven in his slats, it's an assault, not a tackle. Even my Derby mate, who spent the whole match winding me up, described that foul as "very nasty".
And I agree entirely with downsouf. When I heard that comment from Keown, I shouted 'BLX' at the TV. If a second yellow has to be worthy of a sending off in its own right, then there's simply no point in having a 'two yellows and you're off' rule. In fact, if players know that only an offence worth a red will get them sent off, there's barely any point in having a yellow card at all, because it has no power to caution the player.
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