Agree with most of that. It is slightly embarassing that we are looking to replace Sven with the above mentioned candidates. O' Neill was really the only guy who the owners could gain their credibility back with. At first I thought maybe they had already lined him up but obviously not, in which case this was a massive gamble. These game(s) without a manager could cost us promotion
Someone call Sven up, apologise, say it was all a misunderstanding and ask him if he's coming in today
Danger, that is the best idea I have seen all week! As for Martin O'Neill I don't believe he would have had had anything to do with the owners while Sven was in place. A man of principle.
The job? It should be easy. The team is already in place. I am willing to do it although there would be changes. Haircuts, jackets, ties and suits would be the order of the day and then an intellectual regime for training based on Mount Jock Wallace - the sand heap at Wanlip. Do I have any backers or candidates for assistant?
My sentiments exactly, longtime, including your fed-upness.
This has been an almighty c*ck-up - we will look back with anguish to the time when we were led briefly by one of the most accomplished managers in world football, only for our inexperienced owners to let him slip through their fingers for want of sufficient patience.
The appointment of Sven's successor is a critically important decision. I doubt the Thais are clever enough to pull a second rabbit out of the hat - but I am hoping fervently to be proved wrong....
The Thai's have broken their toy.
I'm getting the feeling from these comments that people are upset to learn Martin O'Neill won't be taking this opportunity.
Personally, I would have kept Sven on, probably until the end of the season; this is because I think his successor faces an almost impossible job - having the expectation of promotion with players who aren't "his". Whoever it is has to come in and motivate them for 6 months without having that much opportunity to bring in his own players (or the squad will get enormous). That is a massively tough ask.
However, that doesn't mean that I'm angry at the owners. This is their decision and in any interview I've seen with Top I've been glad at how reasonable he's sounded; similarly I've become increasingly irritated at the way the (national) media have tried to portray our owners as evil monsters.
In an ideal World, it would have been good to see a successor lined up before the decision was made on Sven. But as we all know. O'Neill would not have entertained speaking to the club under those circumstances, although I am not so convinced others would have taken the same ethical stance.
However, whilst I genuinely believe Sven is a good manager at a certain level (International or the Premiership) I cannot share your view that he would have got us promoted from the Championship. I believe he was fast running out of ideas and never really understood the division.
All this talk of being only a couple of points from the play-off positions is a smoke-screen. We are also only five points ahead of Forest, who some had viewed as potential relegation candidates two weeks ago.
Sven's tenure can best be described as one step forward and two back. He had access to significant funds to buy players and take out loans (both this season and last) so if you are brutally honest, you must surely see that he under-delivered far too frequently.
The decision was harsh but one paper quoted Sven himself as saying "I would have sacked me".
Whether the next manager has the same quality of CV is irrelevant. The most important factor is that he knows this league and preferably, how to get out of it !
Gutted Sven has gone.Dont think for one minute MON would come back (don't mind being proved wrong).
Feel like i'm in mourning the next guy has got to thank Sven if we get promoted because he put the parts in place.
I'm in full agreement with Danger
It is beyond stupidity that they have sacked a manager of his magnitude and stature, and replaced him with.....nobody. And nobody lined up either. Top seems quite content to just wait and see who's C.V. falls on the floor. Well, it won't be someone of Sven's quality that's for sure. More likely the serial failures like Robson and McClaren. If Top is expecting a quality manager to simply apply for the job, he is incredibly naive and misguided. This is the first time I have ever doubted the new owners....but I am seriously beginning to wonder whether they have the foggiest idea who they want, and what they want. As Malling said, this is one big c*ck-up and frankly I'm sick of it already.
It is easy with a personality like Eriksson -with a mastery of public relations and enjoying that rare commodity in managers -respect... to overlook his actual performance.
In the 12 months he has been with us his record is not in line with his spending and support financially. We are running like a top ten team not top two team which he subscribed to .
This season has seen us win only 5 games from 13 -including three home defeats -crowds down to 20,000 - a team which is short of spirit, coherent selection and tactics to which they all subscribe and are comfortable with.
The owners have to make decisions early enough for a new manager to correct things and still achieve auto spot.
I hope thet specifically target Chris Hughton - currently Birmingham manager who retrieved what looked like a lost cause at Newcastle with huge issues between fans , board and players -but still acheived promotion.
He is performing similar miracles at Birmingham where again with severe financila issues affectiong the club and owner he is producing a team who will be a major promotion force and still in Carling Cup.
What he could do with the superb backing of our owners.... !
He is an honourable man and may feel it difficult to break contract but with compensation and a targeted approach to me he would be a fantastic manager for Leicester
John - I agree that Hughton's doing a superb job and would be an excellent candidate, but he's only just gone to Birmingham and I don't think that's in any way realistic.
Morning Foxes,
Can anyone let me know of a link concerning MON ruling himself out of the job. Can only find papertalk from yesterday saying he is considering it and now papertalk today saying he isn't??
Cheers.
Dunge -one thing I have learned in football is that anything is possible... especially with money!
The problems at Birmingham with Carson Yeung are well documented and Hughton will know the difficulties for the club.
He will not apply - he is one of footballs straight guys ... but I would go above board-approach Birminghan for permission to speak to him and accept the principle of compensation.
k_t_f_1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/26/martin-oneill-rejects-leicester-city
Ah ok, so no quotes or anything, just the paper's retracting from their headlines yesterday. Not that I think he will consider it anyway.
Like the cut of your gib johngee.
Hadn't really thought about Hughton but can see the sense of it.
Still think we will end up with the poisened dwarf though !
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posted on 27/10/11
Agree with most of that. It is slightly embarassing that we are looking to replace Sven with the above mentioned candidates. O' Neill was really the only guy who the owners could gain their credibility back with. At first I thought maybe they had already lined him up but obviously not, in which case this was a massive gamble. These game(s) without a manager could cost us promotion
posted on 27/10/11
Someone call Sven up, apologise, say it was all a misunderstanding and ask him if he's coming in today
posted on 27/10/11
Danger, that is the best idea I have seen all week! As for Martin O'Neill I don't believe he would have had had anything to do with the owners while Sven was in place. A man of principle.
The job? It should be easy. The team is already in place. I am willing to do it although there would be changes. Haircuts, jackets, ties and suits would be the order of the day and then an intellectual regime for training based on Mount Jock Wallace - the sand heap at Wanlip. Do I have any backers or candidates for assistant?
posted on 27/10/11
My sentiments exactly, longtime, including your fed-upness.
This has been an almighty c*ck-up - we will look back with anguish to the time when we were led briefly by one of the most accomplished managers in world football, only for our inexperienced owners to let him slip through their fingers for want of sufficient patience.
The appointment of Sven's successor is a critically important decision. I doubt the Thais are clever enough to pull a second rabbit out of the hat - but I am hoping fervently to be proved wrong....
posted on 27/10/11
The Thai's have broken their toy.
posted on 27/10/11
I'm getting the feeling from these comments that people are upset to learn Martin O'Neill won't be taking this opportunity.
Personally, I would have kept Sven on, probably until the end of the season; this is because I think his successor faces an almost impossible job - having the expectation of promotion with players who aren't "his". Whoever it is has to come in and motivate them for 6 months without having that much opportunity to bring in his own players (or the squad will get enormous). That is a massively tough ask.
However, that doesn't mean that I'm angry at the owners. This is their decision and in any interview I've seen with Top I've been glad at how reasonable he's sounded; similarly I've become increasingly irritated at the way the (national) media have tried to portray our owners as evil monsters.
posted on 27/10/11
In an ideal World, it would have been good to see a successor lined up before the decision was made on Sven. But as we all know. O'Neill would not have entertained speaking to the club under those circumstances, although I am not so convinced others would have taken the same ethical stance.
However, whilst I genuinely believe Sven is a good manager at a certain level (International or the Premiership) I cannot share your view that he would have got us promoted from the Championship. I believe he was fast running out of ideas and never really understood the division.
All this talk of being only a couple of points from the play-off positions is a smoke-screen. We are also only five points ahead of Forest, who some had viewed as potential relegation candidates two weeks ago.
Sven's tenure can best be described as one step forward and two back. He had access to significant funds to buy players and take out loans (both this season and last) so if you are brutally honest, you must surely see that he under-delivered far too frequently.
The decision was harsh but one paper quoted Sven himself as saying "I would have sacked me".
Whether the next manager has the same quality of CV is irrelevant. The most important factor is that he knows this league and preferably, how to get out of it !
posted on 27/10/11
Gutted Sven has gone.Dont think for one minute MON would come back (don't mind being proved wrong).
Feel like i'm in mourning the next guy has got to thank Sven if we get promoted because he put the parts in place.
posted on 27/10/11
I'm in full agreement with Danger
It is beyond stupidity that they have sacked a manager of his magnitude and stature, and replaced him with.....nobody. And nobody lined up either. Top seems quite content to just wait and see who's C.V. falls on the floor. Well, it won't be someone of Sven's quality that's for sure. More likely the serial failures like Robson and McClaren. If Top is expecting a quality manager to simply apply for the job, he is incredibly naive and misguided. This is the first time I have ever doubted the new owners....but I am seriously beginning to wonder whether they have the foggiest idea who they want, and what they want. As Malling said, this is one big c*ck-up and frankly I'm sick of it already.
posted on 27/10/11
It is easy with a personality like Eriksson -with a mastery of public relations and enjoying that rare commodity in managers -respect... to overlook his actual performance.
In the 12 months he has been with us his record is not in line with his spending and support financially. We are running like a top ten team not top two team which he subscribed to .
This season has seen us win only 5 games from 13 -including three home defeats -crowds down to 20,000 - a team which is short of spirit, coherent selection and tactics to which they all subscribe and are comfortable with.
The owners have to make decisions early enough for a new manager to correct things and still achieve auto spot.
I hope thet specifically target Chris Hughton - currently Birmingham manager who retrieved what looked like a lost cause at Newcastle with huge issues between fans , board and players -but still acheived promotion.
He is performing similar miracles at Birmingham where again with severe financila issues affectiong the club and owner he is producing a team who will be a major promotion force and still in Carling Cup.
What he could do with the superb backing of our owners.... !
He is an honourable man and may feel it difficult to break contract but with compensation and a targeted approach to me he would be a fantastic manager for Leicester
posted on 27/10/11
John - I agree that Hughton's doing a superb job and would be an excellent candidate, but he's only just gone to Birmingham and I don't think that's in any way realistic.
posted on 27/10/11
Morning Foxes,
Can anyone let me know of a link concerning MON ruling himself out of the job. Can only find papertalk from yesterday saying he is considering it and now papertalk today saying he isn't??
Cheers.
posted on 27/10/11
Dunge -one thing I have learned in football is that anything is possible... especially with money!
The problems at Birmingham with Carson Yeung are well documented and Hughton will know the difficulties for the club.
He will not apply - he is one of footballs straight guys ... but I would go above board-approach Birminghan for permission to speak to him and accept the principle of compensation.
posted on 27/10/11
k_t_f_1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/26/martin-oneill-rejects-leicester-city
posted on 27/10/11
Ah ok, so no quotes or anything, just the paper's retracting from their headlines yesterday. Not that I think he will consider it anyway.
posted on 27/10/11
Like the cut of your gib johngee.
Hadn't really thought about Hughton but can see the sense of it.
Still think we will end up with the poisened dwarf though !
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