Exactly right Busby!

Fred, you are stretching the defence Suarez too far (assuming he said what is reported).

You have to consider the context....We are talking about a player insulting an opponent who he does not really know in a way that has strong racist connotations (ie referring to the colour of his skin). he may not be racist but he must be stupid if he does not realise how what he is saying will be viewed.

Just out of interest.

Does anybody on here KNOW what was actually said?

Know for a fact that is, with a source to back it up?

Talkrubbish.....Charge Evra!? What with?

Fred....Suarez has played in Europe for 4-5 years, he knows what is what.

You can't charge Evra with anything, full stop. Doesn't matter if you believe he made it up or not - which to be honest is looking less and less likely as days go by - there's no way you can prove that someone 'made up' their allegations or not...

And I firmly dispute the 'cultural difference' argument, too. Fact remains that in Uruguay it IS offensive - doesn't matter one jot what they use it for in Costa Rica, Cuba or anywhere else, for that matter. He's Uruguayan.

The simple fact is, IF he used the word there is no excuse for it, and he should have the book thrown at him.

As a Liverpool fan, to me it's that black and white. No 'cultural differences' or 'context'.

Fred....Suarez has played in Europe for 4-5 years, he knows what is what.
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So all European countries are the same now are they?

Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 16 minutes ago

Talkrubbish.....Charge Evra!? What with?



I didnt say charge Evra.

I said he couldnt be charged

My question about people knowing what was actually said has been ignored I see...

So you're all just presuming?

in a way that has strong racist connotations
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DivSpur, stop pretending that you know what connotation it has better than a native-Spanish speaker.

Here's what a Uruguayan radio host said about it:
"It's not a slur whatsoever," said Espuelas, whose show often addresses racism in the Latino community. "It's a term of endearment. You definitely would not use that if you were angry. It would sound ridiculous."

So it's not really a ridiculous defence, is it? Whether or not the investigation finds against Suarez (and I'm not saying they won't), you're pontificating from a position of ignorance,...as is your wont. You don't know what connotation it has in Spanish.

If Suarez had believed it had racist connotations, why would he have volunteered the information to the Uruguayan Press that he said it? He could just have claimed that he said no such thing, and it would have been very difficult to prove otherwise.

You're trying to pre-empt the outcome by talking out of your r's. Why don't you just wait and see what the outcome is?

comment by Bring Back Rushies Moustache (U6045) posted 40 seconds ago

You can't charge Evra with anything, full stop. Doesn't matter if you believe he made it up or not - which to be honest is looking less and less likely as days go by - there's no way you can prove that someone 'made up' their allegations or not...

And I firmly dispute the 'cultural difference' argument, too. Fact remains that in Uruguay it IS offensive - doesn't matter one jot what they use it for in Costa Rica, Cuba or anywhere else, for that matter. He's Uruguayan.


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Is that true?

On these boards I have been lead to believe it isn't offensive in Uraguay.

BillyBob just wrote a post stating that a Uraguayan Radio host said the term can't be used in an aggressive way at all

If it is indeed offensive in Uraguay and he has used the term, then there is no defence whatsoever

for what its worth , I work in Spain as a lawyer, I have just asked several of my Spanish colleagues what their opinion is. Their response was that if it was said from one friend to another in a certain tone, it would not be considered offensive, however when said in agressive tone especially by a white man to a black man, it is without doubt an insult and a racist one. One of the worst insults in Spanish is cabrón (which l literally is a goat) , however we call each other a cabrón all the time in the same way you may call a friend an insulting word and they will laugh it off. But if I were to call a stranger in a bar a cabrón, he would more than likely smack me one. Just like if in England you called a stranger a certain word they would definitely take offence whereas a friend would not.
My personal opinion is that Suarez isnt a racist per se, however he deliberately used a word with racial conotations (if he did indeed use that word) to wind Evra up. He knew what he was doing and should be punished accordingly.
Very bad timing for Suarez (and Terry) because I think the FA may want to make clear statement that they are not in agreement with what Blatter said.

God Fred you are dumb!!

Go and find a find a black guy now. It has to be someone you don't know or someone who you vaguely know. Maybe a work colleague, or a guy that lives down the street, whatever.

Go on..... Ok, go up to his face, get right up close in there, don't be shy. Now, call him "Negrito", with the Spanish accent and everything. Make sure it rooooolls off your tongue.

Now don't tell me if you did that you wouldn't end up in A&E with this guys fist down your throat!!

I doubt he would see this word as an affectionate term of friendship, despite your objections to the contrary!

Siempre Roja

Spain isn't Uruguay.

there's no way you can prove that someone 'made up' their allegations or not...
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That's not true, is it?
It now seems unlikely in this case, given what Suarez himself has said,,but an FA Commission found Phelan's accusations against the Chelsea ground-staff to be “exaggerated”, “unreliable”, and “riddled with inconsistency”., the strong implication being that they made it up.

Hello Hello

I asked you a question, answer the question asked.

Is that true?

On these boards I have been lead to believe it isn't offensive in Uraguay.
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If you read the article, it says that:

"If I were of African descent and someone from that part of the world [Uruguay] was to use the word toward me, I would probably think twice about what the intentions are, whereas if the person who was saying it was from Cuba you'd probably take it as a joke. And if you said it to a Puerto Rican, they'd just love it," Chinea said...

In certain countries it's affectionate - but you're not seriously going to imply that he was going to use an affectionate term to Evra, are you?

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What? About if I've lived in another country?

No I have not. Yet I don't see how relevant it is to this current debate. At the moment you are defending (or are at least in his corner) a guy who said it to a French man living in England. We are not in Uruguay, or Spain. The term "Negrito" may not be offensive to a society that doesn't really try to tackle racism, but we are in England and a player who has lived here for a fair few years and has become accustomed to our way of life and our LANGUAGE has found the term offensive.

Before today I had never heard the term "Negrito", or what it meant in the context of Spanish and Latin society.
Just because Suarez knows what it means doesn't mean everyone else does!!

And it certainly doesn't mean someone can't be offended by it

Hello! Hello! We are the Busby Boys(U3187)

Negrito is not a word at all here.

comment by Bring Back Rushies Moustache (U6045) posted 8 minutes ago

Is that true?

On these boards I have been lead to believe it isn't offensive in Uraguay.
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If you read the article, it says that:

"If I were of African descent and someone from that part of the world [Uruguay] was to use the word toward me, I would probably think twice about what the intentions are, whereas if the person who was saying it was from Cuba you'd probably take it as a joke. And if you said it to a Puerto Rican, they'd just love it," Chinea said...

In certain countries it's affectionate - but you're not seriously going to imply that he was going to use an affectionate term to Evra, are you?
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there are afair few Liverpool fans doing just that

I can't blame them in a way because if it does turn out he used that term, he has really let down the fans that are currently defending him.

I feel for decent Liverpool fans if it's true. Nothing worse than when one of your own players lets you down.

Aren't they triangular corn snacks for dipping into salsa?

Doesn't matter if it's used here or not - if we were playing in Spain and used OUR version of the 'N' word it's still racist.

negrito is a derivative of negro which is recognisable in most languages, certainly in French, Spanish and English.
The "it" denotes little (as it does in chicharito).

comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374) posted 2 minutes ago

Hello! Hello! We are the Busby Boys(U3187)

Negrito is not a word at all here.

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How is that relevant?

Are you implying you can be racist providing it is not in English?

But the point I'm trying to make is that Suarez wasn't intending to be offensive in what he said.

I work in France, for a very mulitnational company and I have friends from Spain, France, Germany, Venezuela, England, the US etc etc etc.

I also speak fluent French and English.

So things can easily be lost in translation, or due to Suarez not being very culturally aware (that comes in time, not in the 10 months he has been here) some things can be considered offensive when there was no intention in it.

Try making a 'ur mum joke to a French person of any age and watch their reaction, even though amongst younger people in England these jokes are very common, but they will be taken very offensively in France.

I made this mistake once, and really offended somebody, this is similar to the mistake Suarez made.

So I think I kind of know where I'm coming from with my points.

Grow up and wait for the decision. If this was a Murder or Rape case you would not even be allowed to discuss it. You are all like a crowd of Kids, stickin up for your own side. For Gods sake, take a Time Out.