The balance will come back once these so called backbone players will be sold and that includes Lampard, Drogba, Terry and I would include Cech in that as well because of no competition he is making too many mistakes
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you would include cech?
do you think that the way the defence is playing may be having an effect on cech, + lets not forget we do not have adequet cover for the g/k
and whose idea was it to sell cudacini?
If we look purely at transfer policy and managerial recruitment policy then I agree there have been some terrible decisions made that has lost a great deal of money.
The investment in a state of the art training centre I would say was money well spent.
Our youth academy? hmm, i will wait a few more years before making judgement.
Overall I don´t have a great deal of faith in the directors running CFC. Their failure to find a good manager and keep him in the position is the main reason why our squad has been so neglected over the last 3 years and why we find ourselves now with a poorly balanced squad with no possibility of winning the PL or CL this season.
Unfortunately, this article is about a year too late. The radical rethink you desire has been begun with the appointment of AVB. RA has clearly learnt from his mistakes now and the signs show that he will back AVB in the long term 100%.
Andre your faith is to be applauded, but i am not yet at all convinced that AVB is experianced enough to handle R/A & CFC alone.
and to suggest R/A has clearly learnt from his mistakes is some what premature.
I'm sorry, but I would suggest that the mere appointment of AVB is evidence of him learning from his mistakes. As for AVB's inexperience it isn't really relevant as RA is in it for the long haul this time.
A great read, and I agree on most of it. But for the purchases of Pizarro, Sidwell, and Ben haim were all made because of the strenuous relationship mourinho already had with the board. The seemed to cut off the money from him as they were mad at him. Don't be too hard on those players, they were average at best but only ones mourinho could get
As for Cech, I can not wait till Courtois comes back and put Cech up for his money. He is acting wonders on his loan, aside his last game vs mourinho Madrid... But he looks the real deal.
I feel we need to start investing the old way, finding players that have loads of potential, are young, aren't world beaters yet, and ones that aren't at PL clubs already... We invested in good but not already world class players when mourinho when he jumped in.
All I want right now is a new winger, possibly Nicolas Gaitan, from Benfica and Cavani to come in
I thought the red card for Coutois was very harsh.
The player actually found his hand with his foot rather than Courtois finding his foot.
This auto red rule for keepers in such situations seems wrong to me and should be revised.
Andres faith,
Im sorry but i cannot agree with you about all that matters is that R/A is in it for the long haul.
its clear R/A is in it for the long haul, but unless there is a radicle rethink of policy another 5 years of poor policy will put us even further behind in our quest to be a major premiership & european force.
I pretty much agree with you, and I don't think that I've put my point across very well. Sorry for that. I think that there has been a radical rethink of policy of which you speak and that the appointment of AVB is the culmination of which.
I completely agree with you in that our policy in the past has been poor, however I do not agree with you in that it has not been changed. If this was the case, we would have gone all out to get Hiddink rather than take a risk on AVB.
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gazza,We are in avery similar position and are following a very similar path to utd.!
ARE YOU SURE GEZZA!
IM SORRY BUT I DEFINATLY CANT SWALLOW THAT.
the shame is that we are no where near as well run club as utd, but i do feel that after spending 800m, and gainning the experiance we have we should be, thats the problem.
utd have built their business model starting with manager, we have not.
ours have been built with the owner s involvemnent and the core spine of players.
i agree we are in transition, but i feel we have been in transition since 2007.
utd and saf have rebuilt successfuly since then and dominated at afraction of the cost .
first of all for a good article.
I'd like to give my opinion on it point by point:
Has spent /invested £ 800m since taking over in july 2003.
Yep and RA is hoping to spend even more on a new stadium that will take us into the next phase of our evolution. People are quick to forget that this is a huge amount of money spent without any guaratee of any return. I don't even think he wants a reurn. CPO take note.
i would like to state from the out set i have been supporting cfc for almost 40 years, and i am pro R/A, but im not at all happy at where we are as a club at the moment.
I have been supporting CFC since 1968 and the first match I saw was in 1965, therefore like you I have been on the CFC rollercoaster. I'm happy, but not blown away, with what we have achieved since 1997 but I would have liked more success given the huge investment of RA.
To be honest over the years i have staunchly defended R/A and his policies, which have at time been at odds with common sense, particularly our managerial merry go round.
RA, contrary to common belief, does NOT run CFC on a daily, weekly or any period of time. What he does is delegate responsibilities to the Board. He expects that his trusted employees do the job they are employed to do with the best intention of the club. This has definately not been the case. These employees come from a business background and not a business where their is a huge human influence i.e. team, squad.
As i sat down to the game against wolves at stamford bridge on saturday, the team sheet came up,i was relieved to see lampard was benched, but drogba was in the first 11, and on the bench was, turnbull, boswinga, malouda, & kalou + the 50m million man Nando.
Because of the disruption caused by self-inflicted and in my opinion self-interested wounds the squad was not refreshed or inproved over the normal period employed such as that used by MUFC. Of course I have NO proof to support my claims of dysfunctional behaviour or just sheer inefficiency in the Boardroom so you will just have to take everything you have heard or read and read between the lines.
its afact since the 2007 season we have deterioating as a squad, R/A has tried to reinvent the wheel, by using a closed circle of advisors inconjunction with a series of managers.
Since the sacking of JM. Too many chiefs and not enough indians, in fact. Too many wrong decisions made by people not qualified to make them.
this policy has led to a series of managers + back room staff. who have recieved in excess of 50m in compensation plus payment for the time they were under contact to the club a figure which will be at least 5m a season X 8 = 40m.
Instability has never led to constant success! We have wasted money on a series of disaster appointments and back-up staff i.e. Scolari and Grant. Grant I can't understand but Scolari at least wanted to impose his own style of play at CFC. Problem is that was just post JM and we were and still am living off the JM era and we still are. What benchmark do we still use, Yes JM.
since 2003 we have spent over 500m in the transfer market i would suggest 50% of this has been poorly spent, just to name a few.
Veron,shevshenko,smertin,deco, de la horna, kezman, mutu,swp,t ben heim, sidwell, pizarro,malouda, kalou, torres, i really could go on, i also understand several of these players were on bosmans but they did recieve sizable contracts.
Not sure I agree with all of these being failures but I agree that a definitive transfer policy be employed at CFC. This should be the CEO job to formulate but no doubt AVB will have to alter the infrastructure of the club.
so today if you look at our squad its abundantly clear we have not successfully maintaned the quality of our squad and we have another manager who is sitting on a razor edge.
Got to stick with him. He is liked by the owner and I believe has his ear. I was disappointed that he didn't want Hiddink to take some pressure off of him but respect where respect is due, he wants to do it himself.
ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE BUT WE DO NEED A RADICLE RETHINK IN THE WAY THE FOOTBALLING BUSINESS IS BEING RUN AT CFC.
If we want to aviod making the same mistakes, then definately YES.
also i have not bothered to go into our youth developement policies, and the effect this has had on our current situation.
The original concept regarding the youth policy was that Arnesen would produce x amount of players per year into the 1st team squad over a period of time. He failed (just Josh) and hence we have purchased youth to cover the gap.
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by ifarka (U8182)
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Has spent /invested £ 800m since taking over in july 2003.
And Spurs are above you.
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hedley is that all you got ?
Gazza,im far from convinced R/A has yet learnt.
i can understand his position, young billionare enjoying and backing his football club.
the next four matches will be a important test for AVB & young billionaire owner.
COME ON YOU BLUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted on 27/11/11
The balance will come back once these so called backbone players will be sold and that includes Lampard, Drogba, Terry and I would include Cech in that as well because of no competition he is making too many mistakes
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posted on 27/11/11
you would include cech?
do you think that the way the defence is playing may be having an effect on cech, + lets not forget we do not have adequet cover for the g/k
and whose idea was it to sell cudacini?
posted on 27/11/11
If we look purely at transfer policy and managerial recruitment policy then I agree there have been some terrible decisions made that has lost a great deal of money.
The investment in a state of the art training centre I would say was money well spent.
Our youth academy? hmm, i will wait a few more years before making judgement.
Overall I don´t have a great deal of faith in the directors running CFC. Their failure to find a good manager and keep him in the position is the main reason why our squad has been so neglected over the last 3 years and why we find ourselves now with a poorly balanced squad with no possibility of winning the PL or CL this season.
posted on 27/11/11
Unfortunately, this article is about a year too late. The radical rethink you desire has been begun with the appointment of AVB. RA has clearly learnt from his mistakes now and the signs show that he will back AVB in the long term 100%.
posted on 27/11/11
Andre your faith is to be applauded, but i am not yet at all convinced that AVB is experianced enough to handle R/A & CFC alone.
and to suggest R/A has clearly learnt from his mistakes is some what premature.
posted on 27/11/11
I'm sorry, but I would suggest that the mere appointment of AVB is evidence of him learning from his mistakes. As for AVB's inexperience it isn't really relevant as RA is in it for the long haul this time.
posted on 27/11/11
A great read, and I agree on most of it. But for the purchases of Pizarro, Sidwell, and Ben haim were all made because of the strenuous relationship mourinho already had with the board. The seemed to cut off the money from him as they were mad at him. Don't be too hard on those players, they were average at best but only ones mourinho could get
As for Cech, I can not wait till Courtois comes back and put Cech up for his money. He is acting wonders on his loan, aside his last game vs mourinho Madrid... But he looks the real deal.
I feel we need to start investing the old way, finding players that have loads of potential, are young, aren't world beaters yet, and ones that aren't at PL clubs already... We invested in good but not already world class players when mourinho when he jumped in.
All I want right now is a new winger, possibly Nicolas Gaitan, from Benfica and Cavani to come in
posted on 27/11/11
I thought the red card for Coutois was very harsh.
The player actually found his hand with his foot rather than Courtois finding his foot.
This auto red rule for keepers in such situations seems wrong to me and should be revised.
posted on 27/11/11
Andres faith,
Im sorry but i cannot agree with you about all that matters is that R/A is in it for the long haul.
its clear R/A is in it for the long haul, but unless there is a radicle rethink of policy another 5 years of poor policy will put us even further behind in our quest to be a major premiership & european force.
posted on 27/11/11
I pretty much agree with you, and I don't think that I've put my point across very well. Sorry for that. I think that there has been a radical rethink of policy of which you speak and that the appointment of AVB is the culmination of which.
I completely agree with you in that our policy in the past has been poor, however I do not agree with you in that it has not been changed. If this was the case, we would have gone all out to get Hiddink rather than take a risk on AVB.
posted on 27/11/11
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posted on 27/11/11
gazza,We are in avery similar position and are following a very similar path to utd.!
ARE YOU SURE GEZZA!
IM SORRY BUT I DEFINATLY CANT SWALLOW THAT.
the shame is that we are no where near as well run club as utd, but i do feel that after spending 800m, and gainning the experiance we have we should be, thats the problem.
utd have built their business model starting with manager, we have not.
ours have been built with the owner s involvemnent and the core spine of players.
i agree we are in transition, but i feel we have been in transition since 2007.
utd and saf have rebuilt successfuly since then and dominated at afraction of the cost .
posted on 27/11/11
first of all for a good article.
I'd like to give my opinion on it point by point:
Has spent /invested £ 800m since taking over in july 2003.
Yep and RA is hoping to spend even more on a new stadium that will take us into the next phase of our evolution. People are quick to forget that this is a huge amount of money spent without any guaratee of any return. I don't even think he wants a reurn. CPO take note.
i would like to state from the out set i have been supporting cfc for almost 40 years, and i am pro R/A, but im not at all happy at where we are as a club at the moment.
I have been supporting CFC since 1968 and the first match I saw was in 1965, therefore like you I have been on the CFC rollercoaster. I'm happy, but not blown away, with what we have achieved since 1997 but I would have liked more success given the huge investment of RA.
To be honest over the years i have staunchly defended R/A and his policies, which have at time been at odds with common sense, particularly our managerial merry go round.
RA, contrary to common belief, does NOT run CFC on a daily, weekly or any period of time. What he does is delegate responsibilities to the Board. He expects that his trusted employees do the job they are employed to do with the best intention of the club. This has definately not been the case. These employees come from a business background and not a business where their is a huge human influence i.e. team, squad.
As i sat down to the game against wolves at stamford bridge on saturday, the team sheet came up,i was relieved to see lampard was benched, but drogba was in the first 11, and on the bench was, turnbull, boswinga, malouda, & kalou + the 50m million man Nando.
Because of the disruption caused by self-inflicted and in my opinion self-interested wounds the squad was not refreshed or inproved over the normal period employed such as that used by MUFC. Of course I have NO proof to support my claims of dysfunctional behaviour or just sheer inefficiency in the Boardroom so you will just have to take everything you have heard or read and read between the lines.
its afact since the 2007 season we have deterioating as a squad, R/A has tried to reinvent the wheel, by using a closed circle of advisors inconjunction with a series of managers.
Since the sacking of JM. Too many chiefs and not enough indians, in fact. Too many wrong decisions made by people not qualified to make them.
this policy has led to a series of managers + back room staff. who have recieved in excess of 50m in compensation plus payment for the time they were under contact to the club a figure which will be at least 5m a season X 8 = 40m.
Instability has never led to constant success! We have wasted money on a series of disaster appointments and back-up staff i.e. Scolari and Grant. Grant I can't understand but Scolari at least wanted to impose his own style of play at CFC. Problem is that was just post JM and we were and still am living off the JM era and we still are. What benchmark do we still use, Yes JM.
since 2003 we have spent over 500m in the transfer market i would suggest 50% of this has been poorly spent, just to name a few.
Veron,shevshenko,smertin,deco, de la horna, kezman, mutu,swp,t ben heim, sidwell, pizarro,malouda, kalou, torres, i really could go on, i also understand several of these players were on bosmans but they did recieve sizable contracts.
Not sure I agree with all of these being failures but I agree that a definitive transfer policy be employed at CFC. This should be the CEO job to formulate but no doubt AVB will have to alter the infrastructure of the club.
so today if you look at our squad its abundantly clear we have not successfully maintaned the quality of our squad and we have another manager who is sitting on a razor edge.
Got to stick with him. He is liked by the owner and I believe has his ear. I was disappointed that he didn't want Hiddink to take some pressure off of him but respect where respect is due, he wants to do it himself.
ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE BUT WE DO NEED A RADICLE RETHINK IN THE WAY THE FOOTBALLING BUSINESS IS BEING RUN AT CFC.
If we want to aviod making the same mistakes, then definately YES.
also i have not bothered to go into our youth developement policies, and the effect this has had on our current situation.
The original concept regarding the youth policy was that Arnesen would produce x amount of players per year into the 1st team squad over a period of time. He failed (just Josh) and hence we have purchased youth to cover the gap.
posted on 27/11/11
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posted on 27/11/11
MR ABRAMOVICH ?
by ifarka (U8182)
27 November 2011
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Has spent /invested £ 800m since taking over in july 2003.
And Spurs are above you.
posted on 27/11/11
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posted on 27/11/11
hedley is that all you got ?
posted on 27/11/11
Gazza,im far from convinced R/A has yet learnt.
i can understand his position, young billionare enjoying and backing his football club.
the next four matches will be a important test for AVB & young billionaire owner.
COME ON YOU BLUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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