blue mosaics

Now that's just as valid a reason for suicide

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Thats not a valid reason by any stretch.

Blue mosaics, were not arguing for or agaisnt suicide, you shouldnt be trying to validate it. What I am saying is, is it not selfish to leave two children behind, in such a brutal fashion. Thats gonna affect them for the rest of their lives, to what extent, we dont know. However as a father, he should have put his children 1st. It is a selfish act, he did what he did for himself and nobody else. I know its a mental illness as are other criminal acts that directly and physically hurt another person. However they are also selfish acts.

Your opinion Chicken - and that start of another discussion.

All I am saying is that there is more than one reason and we have no idea, any of us, what Gary Speeds reason was. And using the word 'cowardice' in that context seems to me entirely wrong.

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Some great posts on here, and some incredibly stupid/unfortunate ones (people read the thread before posting) - ironic considering the starting point of the thread.

This has surprised me about a few posters, and re-enforced my thoughts on others.

Anfield Rap - we have had _very_ similar experiances, almost like you're writing about me in fact. Fair play mate, it's hard work - one of the single biggest things for me was finding out I wasn't unique in what I was experiancing, that helps more than most can imagine - and as you said earlier, someone reading this may take some real strength from reading you comments today.

Park I understand what you are saying. But in my scenario he wasn't doing the leaving - she was.

Until we know the reasons he had, words like 'cowardice' and 'selfish' are overly judgmental.

Of course you may be right - but it's too soon to judge, in my opinion.

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comment by Chicken (TOWIE > Joey Barton) ©™ (U1043)

I dont know about cowardice but this type of suicide must have been pre-planned.

You dont just think of doing it & have all the necessary equipment already in place, surely.
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WHY must it have been pre planned?

So you haven't got any rope or a long cable that you could hang yourself with anywhere around your home?

No beams, say, in the garage?

Thankfully most of us will NEVER understand the mindset of Gary Speed, because if we did, we'd be one step away from doing something similar.

Unless you have a Doctorate in Psychology, or have been around someone on a long term basis who is suffering from severe clinical depression, it is pointless saying what is selfish or cowardly, and shows complete and utter ignorance of the condition.

Who are YOU to judge someone who obviously had something very wrong inside his mind?

NOTHING ELSE was in his thoughts when he did what he did, stop trying to use YOUR mindset to judge HIS actions, it's ridiculous!!!

Jesus, calm down Wayne.

A RAP, I have never wanted to you more.

Well done for speaking out on this, it shows real courage even on a faceless forum like this

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RAP
I hope today has been a postive day for you mate? seeing a good honest discussion about these things has been a really positive day for me and i dont suffer in the same way as you and others do.

I really hope non of this sounds patronising as its not meant that way

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In my experience, which i stated earlier, there was no pre planning. Just the taking of an opportunity that arose. In my opnion if he had even taken just a fleeting moment to consider how this would have left his children and wife feel, then we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

In such situations you are not thinking rationally, and we should not look at this from a rational standpoint, no one will ever really know what was going through his mind at that exact instant.

As i say, just my opinion, to which everyone is entitled.

Good man... i can def see why admins were concerned but hearing people discuss this topic today makes you think maybe we cud all benefit of a bit more serious debate...thou not easy to control!!

I am still stunned and can't believe how sad the news made me feel. I am not normally a sympathetic or particularly empathic person but my heart goes out to the one's he left behind. As a Mancunian who only watched him on opposing teams I really respected him for being a true professional and a credit to the game. RIP Gary Speed.

I just can't see Speed killing himself due to depression alone

Surely something was about to come to light, or he was blackmailed or something crazy like that.

I just cant see him being so selfish to leave his 2 young (Im guessing) kids and his wife to pick up the pieces if you like

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The spur of the moment thing is incorrect in my personal opinion. Someone who is previously sound of mind does not conclude with taking that kind of action..
No one knows what goes on in somone elses mind.. Outwardly they can appear to be the same old person. But inwardly are fighting numerous demons..
Its just so sad that it happend.. I can understand why people get into such an emotional state its hard to hold back..
I think we are all still in shock how sudden something like this as happend..

I've tried, and I'm afraid I can't share as much as Anfield Rap. What I will add is that depression is, generally, a long term condition that _most_ people around you won't see. It is as much a burden on those you love as it is on yourself. In these circumstances it is common for people to think that those they love would be better off without them, released.

Now obviously we know (pretty much) nothing about Gary Speeds situation, but as someone else suggested earlier - don't judge his actions with your state of mind, if you don't get it say, "I don't get it", don't start making ill informed judgements (or ridiculous storyline guesses) on such an incredibly sensitive subject.

comment by Benzeguero.. (U11508)
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I just can't see Speed killing himself due to depression alone

Surely something was about to come to light, or he was blackmailed or something crazy like that.

I just cant see him being so selfish to leave his 2 young (Im guessing) kids and his wife to pick up the pieces if you like
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Another stupid comment. He did kill himself. Whether it is selfish or not is up for debate but as has been discussed throughout the thread an illness can take control and people don't understand what they're doing.

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WHY must it have been pre planned?

So you haven't got any rope or a long cable that you could hang yourself with anywhere around your home?

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I can hand on heart say that i dont have any rope indoors - i dont need any. And if i did have some, i would still need to put thought into where i would put it, how tight would it need to be, what time could it be done so nobody could stop me etc etc. You dont honestly think he was just sitting there at 7am (or earlier), having a cup of tea & suddenly he thought "I wonder if i've got some rope in the garage. This piece seems to be the right length. Ooh look, there is a beam that this could go around etc etc"

I dont believe that for a second.

I also think people need to be VERY careful in what they say on this thread! I signed out to read a filtered comment as I wanted to know how low the people I have filtered will sink to. I can safely say that if he was close to me he wouldn't need to commit suicide.