we can take this as the club accepting relegation then?

Garty knows we are going down, its obvious to every tom, dcik and harry that coyle is out of his depth and cannot make the players he has available win games (or even draw them) he sets his team up the same old gung-ho 4-4-2 every week regardless of who is available and we get tonked!

this is basically a statement from garty saying 'we have no money to bail coyle out with or replace him, so we will just hope a miracle happens and we stay up so i can keep getting fat pay checks, or we will go down, either way, im going to do NOTHING about it'



id feel a bit better if he said he will be given a few million in Jan...but we all know he will get nothing to spend as usual.

on well, friday night football does sound good...

I also like the 'people are struggling to put food on the table' statement - very patronising and trying to put a spin on the whole situation to disguise the fact that we are in a sorry state...

No not accepting relegation Rebel, having faith that he can turn it around. Think of how good we were before injuries piled up last season? We were brilliant, injuries are still piled up now.

Gartside and TE board and Owen will believe once a few players return from injury we can see a much stronger defence. Going forward we will score, but the defence is so weak that it will eventually crumble each game as Knoght, Robbo, Steinsson etc are constantly in the team due to injuries red cards etc and they are all due a mistake every game.

Keep the faith, after Xmas what is today we won't have a run like before Xmas last year?

An Rebel calm down mate, you always go on negative rants which create scenarios that are not true. And re: the 'patronising' comment, it's clear he is trying to install positivity and confidence, something the players are missing. Surely him doin that is a good thing?

I just hope Gartside means it because let's face it he hasn't exactly been completely open in the past has he?

Rebel, you come out with the 'WE'RE DOOMED I TELL YA DOOOOMMMMEEEDDDD!!!!' mantra every time you post.

Yes we're in a bad way. No one argues that least of all me but where else can we expect to be with our squad as thin as it is and so little funding available.

Bricks says we have more pro's on the books but it's not about quantity. It's quality and other than our first choice eleven which is currently unavailable we don't have it and don't have the money to go and get it. So tell me what changing manager will do for us? And who would you bring in? Another sorry old usual suspect who's already failed at this level?

Forget Hughes for a start because he won't come here. maclaren didn't set the wirld on fire with forest did he? Who else? The sad fact is that whenever a team is in a bad run the same old names are trotted out as 'our saviour' but the reason those men are available is because they have ALREADY failed.

I'll stick with Owen thanks. He has the talent, passion and commitment to turn it round. A lot of the players should be shown the door come january and frankly Owen has GOT to be given some real money to play with WITHOUT being told to sell every decent player we get if you want to see us compete.

We spent a lot of time and money in the sammy lee and gary megson era's and owen is paying for that now.

So tell me what changing manager will do for us? And who would you bring in? Another sorry old usual suspect who's already failed at this level?
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i do take your points, however i feel a new manager will do what coyle cannot do...change the team to suit the opposition with the players we have available at the time. big sam was a master of this (ok, sometimes it wasn't pretty but it got results) coyle is unable to do this, we see the same 4-4-2 every game. i don't think he is tactically aware and never will be.

sorry.

L.P.P. good post i agree with everything you said,the only manager we have ever had who never moans about having nothing to spend,and is trying to get a youth team set up going,instead of bankrupting the club,what i cant understand is uor debt going up from £93mil to £110 when coyle has spent nowt

Because we had hugest huge wage bill from when Megaon was in charge, operating costs doubled Fromm Allardyce reign to Coyle.

It comes back to the question RR; Who would you entrust with our relegation battle? A new manager, one of the usual suspects, with no affinity to our club, who stands to lose nothing and will probably walk away if we are relegated at the end of the season, or; Owen Coyle former Bolton Wanderers player who cares more for our club than any of the other choices out there who has worked with these players for circa 2 years and is due a change of fortune?

Also will some of you please STOP saying Owen is out of his depth!!! It is so infuriating that you can change the history of the last 2 years to suit your argument. None of you were on here saying Owen was out of his depth after we trounced Newcastle last year and you can't put that performance down to luck either. Thanks

Coyle in today's Bolton News:

“As a manager the responsibility is magnified hundred fold. You are not only responsible for a team but a club and a town. And that's something I don't take lightly.

“I love this football club and I want to put a smile on people's faces. I know things have conspired against us but we have got to come through that.

“You need character, resilience and focus and desire to go on that pitch and do something about it.

“I think we do have enough in there to do that. If it means chopping and changing to give one or two who deserve a chance, then that’s something we need to look at as well.

“But with the suspensions we are getting, on top of the injuries, we are getting down to the bare bones.”

We stand or fall behind Owen Coyle. All the detractors and doubters, including my friend Laughing Boy, might as well accept it - he is going nowhere.

I think it's good of gartside to say that but to me it really isn't a full statement guaranteeing coyle a job if the run continues.

If we are still 19th come January 1st and even more cut a drift I think he will go, though I would like to see coyle manage us in the championship with a younger side with youth academy players.

The board will over rule gartside if things get worse I am sure.

There is apart of me that thinks it would be good for us to drop down, sort ourselves out on a business and footballing front.

Selling some players will free up wage bill, reduce costs and give us chance I blood through some younger players. Interesting to think about.. Depends on what you think is best..

comment by Holden's Hairstylist (U1689)

posted 44 minutes ago

There is apart of me that thinks it would be good for us to drop down, sort ourselves out on a business and footballing front.

Selling some players will free up wage bill, reduce costs and give us chance I blood through some younger players. Interesting to think about.. Depends on what you think is best..

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We cant afford to go down. The dept we have right now is bad enough despite how much is owed to ED. I understand the sentiment of what you are saying, and maybe trying to put a positive spin on a potentially horrible situation. I personaly don't even want to think about relegation as a possibility, its too depressing and besides we are only a few
points off mid table, if we can put together a run of results we can rapidly climb out of danger.

I'm glad Gartside has backed Coyle, and im convinced Coyle will come good. Some people on here seem to have very short memories,
if Coyle is so tactically inept, how come he saved us in his first season in charge, and how did he mastermind our best season in years
last season (despite our finishing position)? Also remember he has tried 4-5-1 this season and he has chopped and changed the squad around.Even dropping the formally undroppable Kevin Davies. Nothing has worked properly and a lot of this has to go down to our injury crisis. Our defense has been decimated this season, and our midfield ruined by the injures of our two best players. Along with finishing 5 games with 10 men this season hasn't helped, and all of these situations are beyond Coyle's control. We have been desperately unlucky this season.

I'm not saying Coyle is perfect, he has made mistakes and some odd decisions, but what manager hasn't. Your telling me that Big Sam never made a mistake? This season every decision is magnified due to our plight, if we had won even two more games it wouldn't seem any where near as bad.

So for me Coyle is still the man for the job he will turn this around I am convinced of this. He has shown me enough in the past for me to believe this.

COYWM!!!!!!

apologies for the poor formatting on the above post, not sure what happened there.

Isn't Gartside coming out saying Coyle doesn't need a vote of confidence, actually giving him a vote of confidence?

comment by ONLY ONE O IN COYLE (U1737)

posted 3 minutes ago

Isn't Gartside coming out saying Coyle doesn't need a vote of confidence, actually giving him a vote of confidence?

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I believe the sentiment is there but you know what they say about the vote of confidence...... So I think this is actually more of a vote of confidence than a actual vote of confidence, if that makes sense?

Some very interesting points from everyone here, I am simply hoping Owen can just take things one game at a time and actually change the players around to face Villa it is obvious to all of us fans who are not football managers that the players being used are not up to the job.
Yes we have a huge injury list and the red card situation is not helping the team out in anyway but with such a dodgy defence why are we not trying to clog up the midfield more by playing 4-5-1 and simply doing the basics keeping the ball and passing it around in midfield and building from there instead of always lumping it forward to Davies who loses it straight away and then the pressure is back on a bad defence.

We pretty much all know how Coyle will line up the team to face Villa Saturday and if it is how we all think i doubt we will get anything from the game but if he can actually see sense and try a new set up maybe we would be less obvious and be able to get something from the game.

I would like to see some of the lads rotting on the bench get a game.

Jussi
Steinsson Knight Boyata Robinson
Eagles Reo-Coker Muamba M.Davies Kakuta
Klasnic

With this sort of formation a 4-5-1 that turns into a 4-3-3 when attacking it means Klas at least gets some back up in Eagles and Kakuta who can use the wings to cause some problems and with 2 ball winning midfielders in the team maybe we can pass the ball about a bit better and try and keep it and keep the pressure of the defence.

if Coyle is so tactically inept, how come he saved us in his first season in charge, and how did he mastermind our best season in years
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by doing the same thing he did with Burnley - and they became unstuck, just like we are now, he goes gung-ho at teams just attack, attack, attack with no real 'tactics' in place.

teams have realised how coyle sets up his teams and does not change it (hence why teams come and muller us now)

sorry...

Didnt Gartside say something about those people who know football etc when he hired hwmnbn? Gartside will have one eye on his position on the FA board and if anything threatens that he will act....

Personally I would stick wih OC no matter what.....

He has got a vote of confidence off Jason Mcateer as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16036054.stm

That's what he might think but if we continue to lose so badly and god only knows what the return of the big teams will bring fans will get sick of it and turn. There are more and more turning on here as each game goes by. Once coyle loses the fans gartside will begin to change his mind.

Petrov, I've really missed your cheer.