I say he doesn't want to lose his legendary status at Liverpool.

"As much as we will say that ignorance is no excuse, ignorance is an excuse."

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Well done Barnsey. Lets make an exception of this well known adage ( that ignorance isn't an excuse in crime), in this case just because he's a Liverpool player.... and I was once.

John Barnes was subject to the most hateful of racism during his playing days, I don't think he would have come out with this 'because Suarez is a Liverpool player'.
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I well remember the racism he suffered playing for England, which was plain crazy - our own fans booing him.

Indeed there was even a parody of his lines from the Anfield Rap:

"My name is Johnny Barn-es,
I come from the bahamas,
And when im on the pitch,
The crowd they throw bananas"

i am glad to say that times have changed and we have come a long way since then, i hope this episode doesnt have the opposite effect.

Why else would he? He's closing ranks that's all. He knows ignorance isn't an excuse, really. Because it isn't.

John Barnes was subject to the most hateful of racism during his playing days, I don't think he would have come out with this 'because Suarez is a Liverpool player'.

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Obviously he regards keeping the Liverpool supporters happy as more important.

http://twitter.com/StanCollymore/#/favorites

Liverpool publicly condoning racism

how low is this club going to stoop. As I posted yesterday, they have gone from defending Suarez to defending racism. Its just disgusting.

OMG John Barnes should read those tweets on Collymore's twitter and maybe he could see what he is encouraging. I am quite shocked by that. I would like to see Liverpool fans on here condemn it.

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Siempre Rojo aka tenemos diecinueve

"how low is this club going to stoop. As I posted yesterday, they have gone from defending Suarez to defending racism. Its just disgusting."

Are Liverpool defending racism? Or are they merely defending their player against what they believe to be an unfair/incorrect verdict.

People who say Liverpool should just accept this and that by continuing with it they are embarrassing themselves are out of touch with reality imo.

Anybody who feels wronged imo should fight for what they perceive to be justice. Remember the Birmingham six case, I read about it the other day...six men falsely imprisoned for 16 years. Eventually they were released after the case against them was found to be unjust...I imagine the people who are saying Liverpool should just accept this believe that the 'six' should still be in jail...after all, they should have just accepted the initial decision shouldn't they?

This is taken directly from the Liverpool Echo
"Suarez admitted to the commission that he called Evra “negro” – the Spanish word for black – on one occasion but denied it was an insult and claimed it was in response to being called a “South American” by his opponent."

I agree that Evra should also be charged but I really don't see the defence here for Suarez. Liverpool's behaviour is turning reprehensible.
Would they like a precedent set that racism isn't racism if it is said in a foreign language ?
The Birmingam six denied any involvement. Suarez has admitting saying the word. The rest is down to whether or not that should be tolerated in England and whether a cultural differences defence (based on the fact that racism isn't considered the least bit wrong in latin countries) holds water. An independent panel of legal and football experts decided that it shouldn't.

siempre

I don't want to get into the whole 'is it racism if said in a different language' argument to be honest. Until the FA release their reasoning then I think it is not really worth discussing said reasoning and how they came to their decision until we can see for ourselves.

Having said that, yes the Six denied any wrongdoing, and Suarez has denied using racially abusive language...

As for the independent panel of 'experts', besides the QC, I am not sure that the other two have much legal experience...and of course, there is also the previously held view by many fans of all clubs (imo), that the FA and their associated panels/committees are riddled with incompetence and more often than not get things wrong, unless it is beneficial to their own team!

I find it amazing that Billy (who isn't a Liverpool fan) is so passionate about his defence of SUarez but doesn't apply the same thing to John Terry.

Suarez could have said so many things to Evra and got away with it but decided to go the race route and has been punished.

It's amazing that no one was criticising the FA last season for making up a new rule to ban wayne rooney.

did the six say, yes we planted a bomb but deny that was what killed all those people ? no.
But I agree that until we see the written findings of the panel, it is conjecture by all parties. I really don't see what was gained by releasing the verdict before the written judgement.

John Barnes' comments are quite interesting. Ignorance is an excuse, hmm.

Racists and bigots are generally ignorant, so using his logic, their ignorance is an excuse for their behaviour and we need to appreciate their backgrounds and culture as well.

Top man

siempre

No, I think they just denied what they were accused of.
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daredevil

To be honest, I don't know much about the Terry case, I only know and comment about the Suarez case because it involved United, and I frequent the United board and have thus engaged in the 'debate' about it!

As for the Rooney case, I know that most United fans (from what I read) thought that the decision was one born out of ignorance and incompetence, it was unfair and that the FA and their committees had proved that they were out of touch with the game today and what happens on the pitch! Basically, they did not know what they were doing!

I guess they are now 100% correct, are completely in touch and are fair!

Billy, Rooney was stupid and deserved his punishment. Our argument was that a lot of people swear on the pitch and cameras show this but people were never punished. Even Kenny told Wenger where to go infront of the camera and nothing happened.

In Suarez's case though he chose to insult Evra using the colour of his skin and has got punished. Suarez himself admitted this and has been punished so I really wonder what you guys are complaining about.

I also do not believe your John Terry nonsense because that's all over the news so please do not peddle such rubbish. You are better than that.

daredevil

Yeah, I know what the argument was, it was against the incompetence and out-of-touch aspect of the FA.

The Suarez case is clearly more complicated than simply saying he admitted this and got punished! He admitted what? To using a word he did not think was offensive, obviously this is where the problem lies. If it was just as simple as you incorrectly make out, i.e. Suarez has admitted to knowingly using racially abusive language, then I doubt anybody would be complaining.

And seriously, I know the basics of the Terry case, I haven't read in any detail the minutiae of the case...the x-factor final was also all over the media, do you think I should therefore know all about that too? I don't by the way!

Billy, I'm sorry I do not buy that excuse. Suarez knew what he was doing.

Like I said he could have used a variety of insults, surely there's more than one way to insult people in Spanish. I'm a non spanish speaker and I know a few. Why did Suarez bring Evra's colour into it and use the term repeatedly.

I do not buy the ignorance excuse. Anyone that does would have to buy the same ignorance that racists and bigots use.

You can't pick and choose. SInce ignorance is the excuse, racial intolerance and bigotry is also ignorance and prevalent in a variety of cultures.

Based on your logic and LFCs, we have to accept that as well

daredevil

The ignorance excuse is specific to this case and should be assessed on this instance alone imo. You should not say that because Suarez is saying he is unaware of the offence that his words caused, then this should be applied in all other instances. Each case has its own specifics, and should be judged in isolation. So in essence you can pick and choose.

On another forum, separate from football, there was a discussion about the word coloured. A lot of people were saying that they were unaware that the term is deemed racially offensive when used with reference to black people. I can understand that, because obviously not everybody is up to speed on every detail concerning racial awareness. So when one of these people uses that term unwittingly, should their 'ignorance' be used against them and thus they are deemed to be racist, or at least guilty of using racially abusive language? I think not, you obviously do seeing as ignorance is no excuse and you can't pick and choose!

As for you saying that Suarez knew what he was doing, that clearly is not true...you don't know, I don't know, the FA panel don't know, only Suarez does...and he has said that he didn't know he was being offensive. You have dismissed this on the basis of what exactly?
Because you think? Is that good enough?

I'm sorry Billy but you can't separate both.

In a variety of cultures and societies racism, bigotry and intolerance are prevalent. If the people from those countries come here and practice their culture, LFC and you say it's acceptable. They would be doing exactly the same thing Suarez did and should be defended by you as well.

When you get into an argument with someone,you are well aware of the things you say and you pick and choose words that will hurt the person. We all do it. However when you pick a word which refers to the colour of skin, it is racist abuse. Especially when it is done multiple times.

Suarez did it and has been found guilty and punished. It's not rocket science.

If you want to excuse his behaviour because of the cultural differences, then like I stated above, you have to excuse people who do similar things. After all, it's their culture

I think we can agree to disagree here.

I think each incident of alleged racism should be judged on its own specific merits.

You think that, for example, a 50 year old white Englishman who is unaware of what is acceptable is and should be deemed guilty of using racially abusive language, because he called a black man coloured in the canteen over a cup of tea!

Ok!

as I have said before, I have no doubt that Suarez didn't think what he was doing was all that bad because racism is openly tolerated in latin countries. But so is drink driving but that would be no defence if he got nicked for it here.

Billy, you are picking and choosing again, as well as twisting what I said to suit your argument and ignoring the context.

I won't bother with this again. Your man has been found guilty of racist abuse and has to deal with the consequences

I couldnt believe John Barnes coming out with this, thought he would have been a bit more balanced about it. Looking at the nasty racist tweets against Evra they seem to be from people of all races.
I worked in places where Ive been called 'a sorry excuse for a white boy" or white this white that all the time. I'm glad Suarez got done, because this is part of protecting everyone in a complicated multicultural society. In a way thats a big credit to England and the Uk that we have these laws that protect people, we aint perfect but were imo probably far in advance of most places in the world when it comes to this.