cas...how do you know fella ?
Was in Pavilion before the match and Lorimer, McClelland and Karl Harris were on stay having a chat about recent events. Lorimer stated that the figures. McClelland also stated players are on good wages, otherwise and this is one of the reasons we struggle to move them on when we don't want them.
why are you comparing us to barnsley?
How is big Jon these days?
RSL,it was the figures Lorimer mentioned. Plus didn't they do the double over us recently!! So is relevent.
Players are on good wages??.... by Barnsely and Doncaster's standards maybe... by Top 6 standards, for a team with fans that demand a top 2 finish...NO, JUST NO!
With all due respect, Lorimer is paid by Bates and is seen by many fans as a propoganda mouthpiece.
Playing budget can £30million, but if Bates refuses to pay more than 11K a week in wages to any one player (as is currently the case) we will fail to sign quality players.
Quality players at this level can easily earn more than £11k a week, it's just common sense, and maybe just maybe, Bates will finally wake up to this when the window opens
carl harris...now theres a blast from the past...
That's got to be a decrease seeing as our wage bill was 12.4 mill in div3 and you can be sure it was higher than that last season.
LBB, we don't have a maximum wage as you put it. Grayson said it himself that he could offer £20k a week but this mean £1m from the budget.
As for clubs with bigger wage bills, this includes who? The relegated clubs.............well they have parachute payments.
Leicester..........well they are spending millions and are below us.
Jonty, that's just on players. The £12m you refer to was all staff, including the 100's of match day personnel.
I know but players is the bulk of it and will have increased considerably with volume of incoming players last season.
True Cas, but if we're financially unable to offer 20K to even just one or two players then how is the manager supposed to go out and sign genuine quality?
Any prem league player or championship talent is going to want 15K +, this means all that is left for us is mediocre championship cast offs and the odd rough diamond from abroad that costs nothing.... oh and loan signings too!
If Lorimer mentioned barnsley then it must be relevant.
Comparing a massive football club with a tiny club is not my idea of a fair comparison
Spot on Cas
I've said for ages our player budget is higher than alot think.
Jonty
7.7m was the figure for players and football management the last season in league 1 with total wages of about 13.7m
Total was 12.4 before social and pension, where did you get the 7.7 (am looking at accounts now)
In this division you need to take certain financial risks in order to gain auto promo, or else stay financially prudent and accept that promotion will only come through the playoffs
OR
Get a manager a miracle-working manager like Lambert to do it on a budget...
However, the latter scenario is incredibly rare in history and pointless to cite as an example...
Larry the average wage in the champ is 200k a year
We paid more than that in league 1 and pay a fair bit high now we in the champ
Not many have a higher wage bill than ours in the league and the facts point to this
But we should be able to pay this when our turnover is miles higher than every club without parachute payments
Infact double than nearly every club in the league is the turnover
LBB, so you think there are players who deserve £20k in this division, because I don't. Do you think players in the premiership are worth £100k plus, because I don't.
I think £10, £11k, £12k is a very good wage for a player at this level.
7.7m for players and football management.
13.7 is the total cost of workforce
Larry
Stop reading the papers
Whilst there are massive wages for certain players, the average wage is 4k a week in the champ
Jonty, what's the staffing level in the accounts? Most are none playing and don't forget Shaun Harvey gets a good salary for example.
LBB, so you think there are players who deserve £20k in this division, because I don't. Do you think players in the premiership are worth £100k plus, because I don't.
I think £10, £11k, £12k is a very good wage for a player at this level.
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In theory yes, but we all no market forces dictate and the upward pressure on wages in the premiership has trickled down to the championship and means that many top players in this division in fact honestly believe they are worthy of £20k a week.
You have to pay the going rate or accept second best.
32 full time players, 13 apprentices, 13 football management 126 management and admin?
Directors emoluments were 174k
If you want premier league football then you will have to pay for it
Remind who said that
So say the average for the 126 is £12k (probably higher) this works out at £1.5m. So it's each to see the figure for the players is going to be a lot less than £10m
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posted on 2/1/12
cas...how do you know fella ?
posted on 2/1/12
Was in Pavilion before the match and Lorimer, McClelland and Karl Harris were on stay having a chat about recent events. Lorimer stated that the figures. McClelland also stated players are on good wages, otherwise and this is one of the reasons we struggle to move them on when we don't want them.
posted on 2/1/12
why are you comparing us to barnsley?
posted on 2/1/12
How is big Jon these days?
posted on 2/1/12
RSL,it was the figures Lorimer mentioned. Plus didn't they do the double over us recently!! So is relevent.
posted on 2/1/12
Players are on good wages??.... by Barnsely and Doncaster's standards maybe... by Top 6 standards, for a team with fans that demand a top 2 finish...NO, JUST NO!
With all due respect, Lorimer is paid by Bates and is seen by many fans as a propoganda mouthpiece.
Playing budget can £30million, but if Bates refuses to pay more than 11K a week in wages to any one player (as is currently the case) we will fail to sign quality players.
Quality players at this level can easily earn more than £11k a week, it's just common sense, and maybe just maybe, Bates will finally wake up to this when the window opens
posted on 2/1/12
carl harris...now theres a blast from the past...
posted on 2/1/12
That's got to be a decrease seeing as our wage bill was 12.4 mill in div3 and you can be sure it was higher than that last season.
posted on 2/1/12
LBB, we don't have a maximum wage as you put it. Grayson said it himself that he could offer £20k a week but this mean £1m from the budget.
As for clubs with bigger wage bills, this includes who? The relegated clubs.............well they have parachute payments.
Leicester..........well they are spending millions and are below us.
posted on 2/1/12
Jonty, that's just on players. The £12m you refer to was all staff, including the 100's of match day personnel.
posted on 2/1/12
I know but players is the bulk of it and will have increased considerably with volume of incoming players last season.
posted on 2/1/12
True Cas, but if we're financially unable to offer 20K to even just one or two players then how is the manager supposed to go out and sign genuine quality?
Any prem league player or championship talent is going to want 15K +, this means all that is left for us is mediocre championship cast offs and the odd rough diamond from abroad that costs nothing.... oh and loan signings too!
posted on 2/1/12
If Lorimer mentioned barnsley then it must be relevant.
Comparing a massive football club with a tiny club is not my idea of a fair comparison
posted on 2/1/12
Spot on Cas
I've said for ages our player budget is higher than alot think.
Jonty
7.7m was the figure for players and football management the last season in league 1 with total wages of about 13.7m
posted on 2/1/12
Total was 12.4 before social and pension, where did you get the 7.7 (am looking at accounts now)
posted on 2/1/12
In this division you need to take certain financial risks in order to gain auto promo, or else stay financially prudent and accept that promotion will only come through the playoffs
OR
Get a manager a miracle-working manager like Lambert to do it on a budget...
However, the latter scenario is incredibly rare in history and pointless to cite as an example...
posted on 2/1/12
Larry the average wage in the champ is 200k a year
We paid more than that in league 1 and pay a fair bit high now we in the champ
Not many have a higher wage bill than ours in the league and the facts point to this
But we should be able to pay this when our turnover is miles higher than every club without parachute payments
Infact double than nearly every club in the league is the turnover
posted on 2/1/12
LBB, so you think there are players who deserve £20k in this division, because I don't. Do you think players in the premiership are worth £100k plus, because I don't.
I think £10, £11k, £12k is a very good wage for a player at this level.
posted on 2/1/12
7.7m for players and football management.
13.7 is the total cost of workforce
posted on 2/1/12
Larry
Stop reading the papers
Whilst there are massive wages for certain players, the average wage is 4k a week in the champ
posted on 2/1/12
Jonty, what's the staffing level in the accounts? Most are none playing and don't forget Shaun Harvey gets a good salary for example.
posted on 2/1/12
LBB, so you think there are players who deserve £20k in this division, because I don't. Do you think players in the premiership are worth £100k plus, because I don't.
I think £10, £11k, £12k is a very good wage for a player at this level.
...............................................................................
In theory yes, but we all no market forces dictate and the upward pressure on wages in the premiership has trickled down to the championship and means that many top players in this division in fact honestly believe they are worthy of £20k a week.
You have to pay the going rate or accept second best.
posted on 2/1/12
32 full time players, 13 apprentices, 13 football management 126 management and admin?
Directors emoluments were 174k
posted on 2/1/12
If you want premier league football then you will have to pay for it
Remind who said that
posted on 2/1/12
So say the average for the 126 is £12k (probably higher) this works out at £1.5m. So it's each to see the figure for the players is going to be a lot less than £10m
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