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Linguistic experts on the panel accepted that the word is acceptable in uruguay."

I have read the report, you are mis-representing it.

The experts said it in COULD be used in a playful way, but it could also be used in an abusive way. (In English, we have words like that - context is everything). In this case, they ruled that the word was used in an abusive way.

(That is why the video was important - it showed an 'angry' state, not a 'playful' state).

TTLiv - In that case no probs.

"That's irrelevant and doesn't have any relevance to the Suarez case."

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It does have relevance. A lot of Liverpool fans are using the 'lost in translation' argument, based on acceptable actions in other countries. I was highlighting the inaccuracy of that theory.

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Some award winning academic who went to America's best University and who has actually been to where Suarez is from (not two blokes from the University of Manchester on the FA's expert list) said it better than I can:

"When Suárez said “¿por qué, negro?”, Evra might have assumed that as a racial insult, while Suárez—even in the heat of a discussion—could perfectly have said that as a way of normally expressing himself (not exactly to calm Evra down, but just because he normally would talk like that without thinking about it). This point is where the cultural clash seems more important, and it is working against Suárez because nobody in the jury (let alone the Daily Mail kind of media) seems to even start understanding the common way we use the term “negro” in the Rio de la Plata area. They heard their experts, and their experts explained the different options of our use of the word depending on different contexts and intentions. Then, the jury just decided that the whole thing was an equally aggressive clash by both sides, and because of that, they concluded Suárez could have not use the “negro” word to Evra in a descriptive way. Why? Their interpretation is not clear to me and doesn’t seem to be the only one possible. “¿Por qué, negro?” (after Evra said “Don’t touch me you South American" is not offensive, but a question, and a very common one indeed, where “negro” is a DESCRIPTIVE noun, not an adjective loaded with a negative connotation. I completely understand why a British or an American might start not understanding the tone or the intention from Suárez. But I myself can clearly understand the account Suárez does and it seems consistent to me. I hear it more as a common (unmarked and uncharged) addressing to Evra."


I'm with the expert who said this.

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Specifically note the phrase "who has actually been to where Suarez is from (not two blokes from the University of Manchester on the FA's expert list)" in Redconn's comment there.........

WOW
this thread is still going

Give it a rest and wait until an official statement comes out about what actually happened.
Sheesh

JUST AS I SPEAK
GO ON THE TOP LIVERPOOL BOARD A STATEMENT

Oldham player...................Has allegedly given his statement to the police claiming he was racially abused.
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So should the fan(s) be found guilty of the 'alleged' comments then he/she/they will be banned from the club for life, presumably an rightly so imo. The problem LFC have is the fact that a member of the playing staff HAS been found guilty of similar remarks yet is still at the club.

One rule for one and one rule for the peasants?

OFFICIAL LFC STATEMENT

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/statement-from-liverpool-fc-1

Still don't think he's a racist especially when glen Johnson and other players for Liverpool are a different skin colour.

everyone enjoy the rest of the weekend <end>

I've had my Suarez fix for today

<end> was supposed to be

dunno how that happened

",,,The problem LFC have is the fact that a member of the playing staff HAS been found guilty of similar remarks..."


No member of the LFC staff has ever been found guilty of similiar remarks.

Just thought i'd put that little lie to bed.

Still don't think he's a racist especially when glen Johnson and other players for Liverpool are a different skin colour.
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so nobody who has ever been found guilty as being racist has ever worked or resided with those of different creed/ colour

some people in this world are so naive.

who would have ever thought john terry would have bedded a team mates fiance

Tux. Are you really that sensationalist in real life? I can't even be bothered to explain the differences in the two incidents. A) Its been done to death already and B) You're clearly too simple and wouldn't understand.

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Henry RSC, a rangers fan raising the issue of discrimination based on creed brings a smile to my face on an otherwise dark day

comment by Henry RSC (U5249) posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago

comment by mervin_minkey (U2250) posted 3 minutes ago

Henry. Since when does 'our culture' involve all of the bigotry chanting that your club has been involved in so much?

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i was wondering how long it would take before we had a "what about your team" comment. this is why i feel entitled to comment on the subject. we (rangers) have had problems with sectarianism for years and have been slowly but surely winning the battle, the fact it has only ever been highlighted by UEFA begs the question of why are the SFA not getting involved. our fans have been self policing for years and have resulted in convictions for, amongst other, singing the famine song and no pope of rome


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FSB refer my previous post you ignoramus

Just to add to what was posted before, this from the same 'neutral' professor

"In sum: Suárez could not have even said “tu eres” negro, which would be gramatically correct in Madrid, because in the Rio de la Plata area we would never say “tu eres negro”, but “vos SOS negro”. And that is a fact, not a matter of the opinion of anyone, not even the language experts consulted by the FA, of course. I am a native speaker of Montevideo, a PhD in Spanish by Stanford, and currently a professor of Spanish at Brown University, and if I was called to court on this, I would categorically deny that Suarez, who lived his adult life in Montevideo—despite being born in Salto—could have said other than “vos sos negro”. There is no way in the world he could have said to Evra, spontaneously and as a reaction to Evra’s words and attitudes, “porque tu eres negro”—and much less “tues negro”, that doesn’t exist. Simply “tues” is not Spanish."


I hope the individual concerned in the recent investigation is banned if found to have been racially abusive - we will find out in due course.

Henry, a bit harsh (and a tad hypocritical). Thanks for you concern for the actions of a tiny lunatic minority last night but you surely have much bigger fish to fry.

If you insist on hanging around, the next bandwagon will be along shortly

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"If you insist on hanging around, the next bandwagon will be along shortly"

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Liverpool fans do stupid things like this often then?

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Liverpool fans do stupid things like this often then?
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No. But whatever the players, club or fans do these days is generally greeted with derision.