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Unfortunately though, I don't think it's too far from reality.
the stuff about cahill and essien is just rubbish, AVB stated when he arrived that cahill would be given time to settle and as weve seen theres nothing worse than throwing a player in at the deep end, and if essien had been rushed back and broken down AVB would have been vilified again
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Whatever the reason, he is the worst manager we've had for the past couple of decades.
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and why do you think I'd hate him (if I did)?
everything happens for a reason...
1. With Bosingwa, Luiz and a woefully off form Cole in our team, it's no wonder we're shipping goals. Not AVB's fault.
2. The team is broken, one half of the squad's shortcomings are the other half's strengths. Torres was looking good until we ditched the high line. What is AVB supposed to do?
3. A the fabled plan B from the Scolari era. Ask yourself how often Fergie manages to turn around a dire performance into a great one? It simply doesn't ever really happen.
4. Why is that such a problem? Ivanovic, Terry and Luiz know the team, know eachother. Surely Cahill has to prove he is good enough/prove he knows the team well enough to get a game? No one has the right to walk straight into the team!
5. Bosingwa and Malouda aren't guarenteed places. They're backups. They are only playing because someone else is injured and we don't have anyone else except them to play. Essien hasn't played a game in months and looked knackered after 60 minutes against United.
This is all rubbish really.
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Bosingwa should never be playing at all - certainly not at LB - he can't play properly in his own position
What the hell has Bertrand got to do to get a game in Cole's absence
He could be knocking on Englands door by now for a LB spot under Cole
ridiculous
Whatever the reason, he is the worst manager we've had for the past couple of decades.
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Want an absurb statement. Someone who wins Europe's second tier competition at the age of 33, 18 months into his managerial career with no past professional experience is a special talent.
AVB is a victim of circumstance. If you throw statements like that around i'd have to include Ancelotti and Scolari (two other world class managers) as worse than AVB. One dropped the team's level of performance when it was in it's absolute prime, however unsuited to his methods they were. And the other dropped the team's level of performance when he wasn't even pushing them out of their comfort zone.
The manager is supposed to motivate and get the best out of what they have
AVB does neither...
people still don't wish to believe this.
I disagree. Obviously Bertrand has had ample time in training to prove himself, clearly he isn't cutting the mustard. Furthermore, Bosingwa actually did okay at LB.
I think it's ridiculous to be calling for Bertrand to play such a massive game.
1. With Bosingwa, Luiz and a woefully off form Cole in our team, it's no wonder we're shipping goals. Not AVB's fault.
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Why does he pick Bosinwa on a regular basis if he's off form?
Ask yourself how often Fergie manages to turn around a dire performance into a great one?
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Last time they played against us.
The manager is supposed to get the best out of what they have? Well, maybe this is the best our team can play?
I don't know about you but Ramires, Mata and Sturridge have all been playing quite well, along with Ivanovic at RB. The rest, well, maybe their dip in form is actually a dip in ability, and their average displays are actually the best they have in them? How can you know?! Silly comment.
Im sorry but I dont see AVB getting Chelsea to a league title. If there was anything I could cling onto, such as, improving performances from the team, improving individual players, a impressive defensive record, an impressive scoring record, ability to retain possession, ability to pass/create, then i'd be a bit more positive about his tenure so far but none of those so far have happened. Yeh sure Il give him time but at best I see us staying in the top4 with avb and thats due to major funds being spent in the summer.
1. He doesn't "pick" Bosingwa. Bosingwa only plays because others are injured. Are you a moron? Bosingwa isn't first choice, he is the only other option we have so he HAS to play.
2. Fergie didn't "turn it around" with substitutions or a plan B. United were much better in the first half and were always creating chances. You seem to suggest that AVB can't make substitutions when we're playing badly, but, answer me this, if the players he has available are Torres, Kalou and Malouda, what more do you expect when they're brought on?
Bosingwa is not great but he has more experience of playing big sides than Ryan has. Bosingwa did well enough on sunday, on his weaker side than was to be expected.
Malouda is only starting due to the injuries to Rami and Lamps, otherwise he wouldn't be getting a game. Piazon may get some minutes on the pitch soon enough but he is not ready, we need our experienced players to see us through this mess.
AVB must stay or Chelsea will be doomed to perpetual stagnation
I look at teams like Liverpool and Tottenham and how they retain possession and I look at us hustling and bustling from one end of the pitch to the other, losing the ball in the process because of careless play from one of our midfielders then regaining it with a last ditch tackle.. with no thought going into the attack at all then I despair. Scrappy
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Im sorry but I dont see AVB getting Chelsea to a league title. If there was anything I could cling onto, such as, improving performances from the team, improving individual players, a impressive defensive record, an impressive scoring record, ability to retain possession, ability to pass/create, then i'd be a bit more positive about his tenure so far
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This is a major problem i find with some people on here. You list all these things you what to see change when in reality they all are periodically without consistancy, if they were all consistent we wouldn't be in transition would we???
This season has been an excellent gauge of AVB's potential, we really have seen him at his best and worst. At his best, we know we can expect to see some fantastic possession football in the future, when we click the opponents haven't got near us this season. When the chips are down, we know we have a manager whose intensity has a habit of alienating people around him (we've been managed by Mourinho, nothing new there). Then looking at his signings so far, everyone he's earmarked has had a purpose in the team and works for HIM. The signing of Romeu was an out n out gem, Mata has been the one shining light out of our season, and the decision to swap Alex for Cahill with a 1mil pound deficit looks a fantastic piece of business in the direction he's taking us.
Im sorry but I dont see AVB getting Chelsea to a league title. If there was anything I could cling onto, such as, improving performances from the team, improving individual players, a impressive defensive record, an impressive scoring record, ability to retain possession, ability to pass/create, then i'd be a bit more positive about his tenure so far
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This is a major problem i find with some people on here. You list all these things you what to see change when in reality they all are periodically without consistancy, if they were all consistent we wouldn't be in transition would we???
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I meant if there was any one of those things we could see coming from the team then I'd obviously be much more optimistic where the team is going.
He's changed the whole midfield to his own liking, He's got Mata upfront with Torres and Sturridge so then why are we stil looking so clueless with and without the ball.
Fair enough he hasnt made this team his own yet but he's dropped most of the old guard this season, Malouda, Anelka, Lampard, Mikel, Drogba hardly play. Its only Ashley Cole & Bosingwa who are the dodgy ones in the team, so thats 2 out of 11 players and yet stil our team has no shape to it, no balance to it and no gameplan.
Bertrand should have been playing some games months ago - at least he knows where the byline is
cole gets a nose bleed as he approaches the 18 yrd line & turns back for a pastime.
Utd don't worry about putting youngsters in big games either
Ok, well i can spot one thing there that AVB has a direct claim to have changed. Though that the moment we only seem capable of doing it in one half of football, we're a much more possession based team now. Even when we play poorly, at the 90min mark we very rarely lose the possession battle. We just don't have enough players to make it mean anything yet.
The serious problem AVB has atm is not only having to change personal, he has to change a culture. This dressing room is still largely influenced by the old guard's presence, all who have lived in a culture where they believe in containment/structure when faced with a threat. That's not AVB's way, but more importantly, it's not what Roman wants anymore.
I completely agree with you that the team atm has no distinct balance, what we try in one game we drop the next, but that's what going through transition is about. I'm strongly of the belief watching us this season that AVB is using it to lay foundations for himself in later years, it's been 4/5 months now and i still think one man in our starting line up looks out of place every single game. He's just testing the limits of our squad, seeing how rigid some of them have become under the old regrime.
Well he may have a football brain and this year he is adapting, let's see what he does next year.
Mr Chelsea the truth is that at various times this season we've showed all the attributes you mentioned. This year our defensive record has been very impressive even though it hasn't looked so on the pitch. Early this season, we were scoring and missing chances for fun even though we were conceding left, right and centre. Our passing back then was top notch and Ramires, mata, sturridge, Luiz and even Bosingwa seemed to be playing at their best. Back then, our performances even with ten or nine men on most occasions showed great fighting spirit. Games against Everton in the league and cup, West Brom, Swansea and QPR showed how driven the squad could be. Then we switched to the deep line and played excellent counter attacking football against Newcastle and Valencia. Because we are in transition, we've not been able to maintain it or select a certain strategy to move forward with. Main reason for this is cos half of our squad's strengths are the other's shortcomings as someone mentioned above.
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posted on 7/2/12
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posted on 7/2/12
Unfortunately though, I don't think it's too far from reality.
posted on 7/2/12
the stuff about cahill and essien is just rubbish, AVB stated when he arrived that cahill would be given time to settle and as weve seen theres nothing worse than throwing a player in at the deep end, and if essien had been rushed back and broken down AVB would have been vilified again
posted on 7/2/12
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posted on 7/2/12
Whatever the reason, he is the worst manager we've had for the past couple of decades.
posted on 7/2/12
AVB Squats Instructor (U11809)
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and why do you think I'd hate him (if I did)?
everything happens for a reason...
posted on 7/2/12
1. With Bosingwa, Luiz and a woefully off form Cole in our team, it's no wonder we're shipping goals. Not AVB's fault.
2. The team is broken, one half of the squad's shortcomings are the other half's strengths. Torres was looking good until we ditched the high line. What is AVB supposed to do?
3. A the fabled plan B from the Scolari era. Ask yourself how often Fergie manages to turn around a dire performance into a great one? It simply doesn't ever really happen.
4. Why is that such a problem? Ivanovic, Terry and Luiz know the team, know eachother. Surely Cahill has to prove he is good enough/prove he knows the team well enough to get a game? No one has the right to walk straight into the team!
5. Bosingwa and Malouda aren't guarenteed places. They're backups. They are only playing because someone else is injured and we don't have anyone else except them to play. Essien hasn't played a game in months and looked knackered after 60 minutes against United.
This is all rubbish really.
posted on 7/2/12
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posted on 7/2/12
Bosingwa should never be playing at all - certainly not at LB - he can't play properly in his own position
What the hell has Bertrand got to do to get a game in Cole's absence
He could be knocking on Englands door by now for a LB spot under Cole
ridiculous
posted on 7/2/12
Whatever the reason, he is the worst manager we've had for the past couple of decades.
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Want an absurb statement. Someone who wins Europe's second tier competition at the age of 33, 18 months into his managerial career with no past professional experience is a special talent.
AVB is a victim of circumstance. If you throw statements like that around i'd have to include Ancelotti and Scolari (two other world class managers) as worse than AVB. One dropped the team's level of performance when it was in it's absolute prime, however unsuited to his methods they were. And the other dropped the team's level of performance when he wasn't even pushing them out of their comfort zone.
posted on 7/2/12
The manager is supposed to motivate and get the best out of what they have
AVB does neither...
people still don't wish to believe this.
posted on 7/2/12
I disagree. Obviously Bertrand has had ample time in training to prove himself, clearly he isn't cutting the mustard. Furthermore, Bosingwa actually did okay at LB.
I think it's ridiculous to be calling for Bertrand to play such a massive game.
posted on 7/2/12
1. With Bosingwa, Luiz and a woefully off form Cole in our team, it's no wonder we're shipping goals. Not AVB's fault.
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Why does he pick Bosinwa on a regular basis if he's off form?
Ask yourself how often Fergie manages to turn around a dire performance into a great one?
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Last time they played against us.
posted on 7/2/12
The manager is supposed to get the best out of what they have? Well, maybe this is the best our team can play?
I don't know about you but Ramires, Mata and Sturridge have all been playing quite well, along with Ivanovic at RB. The rest, well, maybe their dip in form is actually a dip in ability, and their average displays are actually the best they have in them? How can you know?! Silly comment.
posted on 7/2/12
Im sorry but I dont see AVB getting Chelsea to a league title. If there was anything I could cling onto, such as, improving performances from the team, improving individual players, a impressive defensive record, an impressive scoring record, ability to retain possession, ability to pass/create, then i'd be a bit more positive about his tenure so far but none of those so far have happened. Yeh sure Il give him time but at best I see us staying in the top4 with avb and thats due to major funds being spent in the summer.
posted on 7/2/12
1. He doesn't "pick" Bosingwa. Bosingwa only plays because others are injured. Are you a moron? Bosingwa isn't first choice, he is the only other option we have so he HAS to play.
2. Fergie didn't "turn it around" with substitutions or a plan B. United were much better in the first half and were always creating chances. You seem to suggest that AVB can't make substitutions when we're playing badly, but, answer me this, if the players he has available are Torres, Kalou and Malouda, what more do you expect when they're brought on?
posted on 7/2/12
Bosingwa is not great but he has more experience of playing big sides than Ryan has. Bosingwa did well enough on sunday, on his weaker side than was to be expected.
Malouda is only starting due to the injuries to Rami and Lamps, otherwise he wouldn't be getting a game. Piazon may get some minutes on the pitch soon enough but he is not ready, we need our experienced players to see us through this mess.
AVB must stay or Chelsea will be doomed to perpetual stagnation
posted on 7/2/12
I look at teams like Liverpool and Tottenham and how they retain possession and I look at us hustling and bustling from one end of the pitch to the other, losing the ball in the process because of careless play from one of our midfielders then regaining it with a last ditch tackle.. with no thought going into the attack at all then I despair. Scrappy
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posted on 7/2/12
Im sorry but I dont see AVB getting Chelsea to a league title. If there was anything I could cling onto, such as, improving performances from the team, improving individual players, a impressive defensive record, an impressive scoring record, ability to retain possession, ability to pass/create, then i'd be a bit more positive about his tenure so far
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This is a major problem i find with some people on here. You list all these things you what to see change when in reality they all are periodically without consistancy, if they were all consistent we wouldn't be in transition would we???
This season has been an excellent gauge of AVB's potential, we really have seen him at his best and worst. At his best, we know we can expect to see some fantastic possession football in the future, when we click the opponents haven't got near us this season. When the chips are down, we know we have a manager whose intensity has a habit of alienating people around him (we've been managed by Mourinho, nothing new there). Then looking at his signings so far, everyone he's earmarked has had a purpose in the team and works for HIM. The signing of Romeu was an out n out gem, Mata has been the one shining light out of our season, and the decision to swap Alex for Cahill with a 1mil pound deficit looks a fantastic piece of business in the direction he's taking us.
posted on 7/2/12
Im sorry but I dont see AVB getting Chelsea to a league title. If there was anything I could cling onto, such as, improving performances from the team, improving individual players, a impressive defensive record, an impressive scoring record, ability to retain possession, ability to pass/create, then i'd be a bit more positive about his tenure so far
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This is a major problem i find with some people on here. You list all these things you what to see change when in reality they all are periodically without consistancy, if they were all consistent we wouldn't be in transition would we???
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I meant if there was any one of those things we could see coming from the team then I'd obviously be much more optimistic where the team is going.
He's changed the whole midfield to his own liking, He's got Mata upfront with Torres and Sturridge so then why are we stil looking so clueless with and without the ball.
Fair enough he hasnt made this team his own yet but he's dropped most of the old guard this season, Malouda, Anelka, Lampard, Mikel, Drogba hardly play. Its only Ashley Cole & Bosingwa who are the dodgy ones in the team, so thats 2 out of 11 players and yet stil our team has no shape to it, no balance to it and no gameplan.
posted on 7/2/12
Bertrand should have been playing some games months ago - at least he knows where the byline is
cole gets a nose bleed as he approaches the 18 yrd line & turns back for a pastime.
Utd don't worry about putting youngsters in big games either
posted on 7/2/12
Ok, well i can spot one thing there that AVB has a direct claim to have changed. Though that the moment we only seem capable of doing it in one half of football, we're a much more possession based team now. Even when we play poorly, at the 90min mark we very rarely lose the possession battle. We just don't have enough players to make it mean anything yet.
The serious problem AVB has atm is not only having to change personal, he has to change a culture. This dressing room is still largely influenced by the old guard's presence, all who have lived in a culture where they believe in containment/structure when faced with a threat. That's not AVB's way, but more importantly, it's not what Roman wants anymore.
I completely agree with you that the team atm has no distinct balance, what we try in one game we drop the next, but that's what going through transition is about. I'm strongly of the belief watching us this season that AVB is using it to lay foundations for himself in later years, it's been 4/5 months now and i still think one man in our starting line up looks out of place every single game. He's just testing the limits of our squad, seeing how rigid some of them have become under the old regrime.
posted on 7/2/12
Well he may have a football brain and this year he is adapting, let's see what he does next year.
posted on 7/2/12
Mr Chelsea the truth is that at various times this season we've showed all the attributes you mentioned. This year our defensive record has been very impressive even though it hasn't looked so on the pitch. Early this season, we were scoring and missing chances for fun even though we were conceding left, right and centre. Our passing back then was top notch and Ramires, mata, sturridge, Luiz and even Bosingwa seemed to be playing at their best. Back then, our performances even with ten or nine men on most occasions showed great fighting spirit. Games against Everton in the league and cup, West Brom, Swansea and QPR showed how driven the squad could be. Then we switched to the deep line and played excellent counter attacking football against Newcastle and Valencia. Because we are in transition, we've not been able to maintain it or select a certain strategy to move forward with. Main reason for this is cos half of our squad's strengths are the other's shortcomings as someone mentioned above.
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