Apparently he said it 10 times, then evra changed his mind and said only one, but thats okay...
Que the victim, racist mudslinging in 1, 2, 3 ...............
WUMs and idiots will be deleted!
There is no evidence to categorically say he is innocent to be fair, but then there equally no evidence to say he is guilty.
How they managed to conclude that he was is nothing short of astonishing.
Evras reaction at the end of the game suggested to me that it was more a personal grudge than it was to do with kicking it out.
One thing is certain! Evra will now take Rat boys place as the most hated utd player, him and the scouser in the wig!
I actually dont mind neville, pretty good pundit
I agree with the fact that he's a good pundit but when he was playing, I wanted him to catch a good dose of the clap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gary Neville is now probably the only pundit I would be glad to listen to, ironically...
There is no evidence to categorically say he is innocent to be fair, but then there equally no evidence to say he is guilty.
How they managed to conclude that he was is nothing short of astonishing.
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That is entirely correct.
The FA should have used some common sense and said that there was no clear evidence to corroborate one side or the other. They could then have got both of them both together, agree there was a misunderstanding, apologise for any offence that might have been caused, shook hands and issue a statement from all parties supporting the Kick it Out Campaign and condemning any form of racism. That would have sent out such a strong message.
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comment by PacoJones (U13084)
posted 5 minutes ago
Infamy! Infamy! They've got it in for me! You lot are pathetic!
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Nobody wants to think like that Paco but when there is no evidence in a case and the panel decide to ban somebody it does create a problem and this has gone on for a while now. The FA have been incompetent and this has caused problems for everyone.
This is spot on...
http://newsframes.wordpress.com/2012/01/06/media-on-racism-churnalism/
Infamy! Infamy! They've got it in for me!
......
Cringe !
Don't ever type that again.
Anyway, here's my view.
For a man to be told he is guilty of an offence as serious as racial abuse, the evidence must be 100% solid.
Anything less than that then you're in danger of jeapordising the career of a professional footballer and leaving him to be slandered for the remainder of his career based on a possibility.
That's not justice - its bonkers
Then again, look who it was run by
" that is as a friendly form of address to people seen as black or brown-skinned or even just black-haired. "
This is not true. The language experts said that it could be used either in a friendly way or in a racist way - one word, two meanings.
The video evidence showed that Suarez was angry when he said the word and thus he was not using the friendly version.
It's time to move on now folks. However, as stated above, both Evra and Suerez were at each other in an aggressive manner for a number of minutes in that game. I therefore doubt either of them said anything in a friendly tone.
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"the right to a fair trial is an essential right in every country that abides by the rule of law"
Given the way this case has escalated surely Suarez deserves this?
Obviously, I was not present at the hearing but there is nothing unusual in a tribunal preferring one person's account over another. It happens in hearings all over the country every day. Gerrard was acquitted at his trial because the witnesses against him were not credible or believable and gave inconsistent evidence.
Gerrard was acquitted at his trial...
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Gerrard was acquitted by a jury of his peers in an open and impartial court of law, NOT by 3 blokes appointed by the prosecution presiding in a hotel room!!!
STITCHED UP!!!
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Evra breached the rules with his comments
Luis apparently made a reference to Evra been a 'black' man
Who really knows the conversation was in Spanish!
Both players were foolish and if Luis made that reference then more fool him however there is nothing conclusive that he intended to make any kind of racist slur. Therefore on the 'balance of probabilities there is / was no case
For the FA to come up with an 8 game ban was totally OTT. They'd have been far better off to remind the players of there responsibilities and highlight to Suarez how such comments could be construed in the UK.Perhaps even gaining commitment to work on the racism campaign
To have Suarez 'convicted' of racism towards a black person when his granddad is black is pushing the boundaries of what's credible. No camera's, no microphones, no supporters, other players picked up on what may or may not have been said
However don't let the truth get in the way of a good story
The punishment was totally OTT, the player has been hung out to dry and Patrice Evra is no bodies victim...as evidenced by his previous behaviours
Suarez didn't give a false handshake at the weekend, he stuck to the principals he believed in rightly or wrongly. As the FA themselves have said it is not against any rules!
The outcry afterwards suggesting that was a massive issue was nonsense. Any handshake would of been a lie and not solved anything, are we stupid enough to think it would?
He doesn't respect Evra in any way shape or form and this should have been no surprise to Patrice Evra who then incredibly arrogantly decided to grab him, go after him at half time and then seek to incite trouble at full time yet not a single word of criticism....it beggars belief.
If he wasn't a small minded arrogant prima donna he'd had not been in the slightest bit worried about Luis Suarez having known he's had an 8 game ban as a punishment and not spent the next 2 hours having a tantrum because Suarez didn't falsely shake his hand. Who does he think he is?
Perhaps Evra should apologise for his reference to Luis's sisters ****
This whole sorry saga was started by one man, Evra. He started the insults and Suarez responded, Evra then cried to the world about how he had been insulted!
Forget the cultural differences, linguistics, holes in the report, non-handshakes etc...if Evra had been big enough to accept a bit of verbal back then none of this would have happened. To me he is the epitome of a coward, pure and simple...he couldn't take getting outplayed by Suarez, tried to wind him up and then hid behind the race card when Suarez gave him some verbal back.
For me, all insults are the same and carry the same meaning, i.e. you are going out of your way to belittle/demean somebody. Why is colour of skin more insulting? The fact that it as seen as more insulting is a socially constructed fallacy that has as its basis a feeling of guilt over past actions by our society/country.
Is it okay for me (as a black man) to insult somebody's family, call their mother whatever I want, and say that I think they are worse than Hitler...but as soon as they insult my colour I am excused for my despicable behaviour and they are then the guilty party? This is an extreme example but it seems okay in the current climate for me to say whatever I want to somebody as long as its not racist, and as son as my colour is mentioned then I am excused!
Insults are insults, they are meant to demean, they are nasty and are meant to cause offence...throwing insults around and then hiding behind your colour when it was you who started the insults is cowardly imo, and that is what started this whole affair...it sickens me to see this happening, and it does nothing to help the fight against racism.
If Evra and United were really interested in fighting racism then they would have reported the incident to the Police, that would send a clear message as to a) their insistence and confidence that racism had actually occurred, and b) that if you use racially abusive language then you will feel the force of the law, rather than just miss a few games and be fined a few bob....but they didn't, why?
This incident was a real chance for everyone, all those on these boards, and all those who for some reason have decided that Suarez is a racist to take a stand.
Terry has been taken to task, the courts will deal with him, so why has nobody, be that Evra, Fergie, the FA panel, the FA themselves, and all the United fans who are quite willing to accuse Suarez not complained to the police? Surely a criminal act has occurred, surely the 115 page report will be enough to convict Suarez in a real court, he is guilty after all, so let's see him punished properly...let's really kick racism out of football and get the racial abuser that is Suarez punished with the full weight of our laws.
Who is with me? Let's not guess at stuff and give him a slap on the wrists, let us really punish him, let's get him a criminal record which would make it difficult for him to work in other EU countries. I dare any body to attempt to get Suarez properly punished. He clearly does not accept his guilt, so let's really stick it to him...complain about his actions, complain that he racially abused Evra to the authorities, that will teach him a lesson....go for it guys!
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posted on 13/2/12
Apparently he said it 10 times, then evra changed his mind and said only one, but thats okay...
posted on 13/2/12
Que the victim, racist mudslinging in 1, 2, 3 ...............
posted on 13/2/12
WUMs and idiots will be deleted!
posted on 13/2/12
There is no evidence to categorically say he is innocent to be fair, but then there equally no evidence to say he is guilty.
How they managed to conclude that he was is nothing short of astonishing.
Evras reaction at the end of the game suggested to me that it was more a personal grudge than it was to do with kicking it out.
posted on 13/2/12
One thing is certain! Evra will now take Rat boys place as the most hated utd player, him and the scouser in the wig!
posted on 13/2/12
I actually dont mind neville, pretty good pundit
posted on 13/2/12
I agree with the fact that he's a good pundit but when he was playing, I wanted him to catch a good dose of the clap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted on 13/2/12
Gary Neville is now probably the only pundit I would be glad to listen to, ironically...
posted on 13/2/12
There is no evidence to categorically say he is innocent to be fair, but then there equally no evidence to say he is guilty.
How they managed to conclude that he was is nothing short of astonishing.
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That is entirely correct.
The FA should have used some common sense and said that there was no clear evidence to corroborate one side or the other. They could then have got both of them both together, agree there was a misunderstanding, apologise for any offence that might have been caused, shook hands and issue a statement from all parties supporting the Kick it Out Campaign and condemning any form of racism. That would have sent out such a strong message.
posted on 13/2/12
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posted on 13/2/12
dont cry paco
posted on 13/2/12
comment by PacoJones (U13084)
posted 5 minutes ago
Infamy! Infamy! They've got it in for me! You lot are pathetic!
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Nobody wants to think like that Paco but when there is no evidence in a case and the panel decide to ban somebody it does create a problem and this has gone on for a while now. The FA have been incompetent and this has caused problems for everyone.
posted on 13/2/12
This is spot on...
http://newsframes.wordpress.com/2012/01/06/media-on-racism-churnalism/
posted on 13/2/12
Infamy! Infamy! They've got it in for me!
......
Cringe !
Don't ever type that again.
Anyway, here's my view.
For a man to be told he is guilty of an offence as serious as racial abuse, the evidence must be 100% solid.
Anything less than that then you're in danger of jeapordising the career of a professional footballer and leaving him to be slandered for the remainder of his career based on a possibility.
That's not justice - its bonkers
Then again, look who it was run by
posted on 13/2/12
" that is as a friendly form of address to people seen as black or brown-skinned or even just black-haired. "
This is not true. The language experts said that it could be used either in a friendly way or in a racist way - one word, two meanings.
The video evidence showed that Suarez was angry when he said the word and thus he was not using the friendly version.
posted on 13/2/12
It's time to move on now folks. However, as stated above, both Evra and Suerez were at each other in an aggressive manner for a number of minutes in that game. I therefore doubt either of them said anything in a friendly tone.
posted on 13/2/12
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posted on 13/2/12
"the right to a fair trial is an essential right in every country that abides by the rule of law"
Given the way this case has escalated surely Suarez deserves this?
posted on 13/2/12
Obviously, I was not present at the hearing but there is nothing unusual in a tribunal preferring one person's account over another. It happens in hearings all over the country every day. Gerrard was acquitted at his trial because the witnesses against him were not credible or believable and gave inconsistent evidence.
posted on 13/2/12
Gerrard was acquitted at his trial...
______________________
Gerrard was acquitted by a jury of his peers in an open and impartial court of law, NOT by 3 blokes appointed by the prosecution presiding in a hotel room!!!
STITCHED UP!!!
posted on 13/2/12
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posted on 13/2/12
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posted on 14/2/12
Evra breached the rules with his comments
Luis apparently made a reference to Evra been a 'black' man
Who really knows the conversation was in Spanish!
Both players were foolish and if Luis made that reference then more fool him however there is nothing conclusive that he intended to make any kind of racist slur. Therefore on the 'balance of probabilities there is / was no case
For the FA to come up with an 8 game ban was totally OTT. They'd have been far better off to remind the players of there responsibilities and highlight to Suarez how such comments could be construed in the UK.Perhaps even gaining commitment to work on the racism campaign
To have Suarez 'convicted' of racism towards a black person when his granddad is black is pushing the boundaries of what's credible. No camera's, no microphones, no supporters, other players picked up on what may or may not have been said
However don't let the truth get in the way of a good story
The punishment was totally OTT, the player has been hung out to dry and Patrice Evra is no bodies victim...as evidenced by his previous behaviours
Suarez didn't give a false handshake at the weekend, he stuck to the principals he believed in rightly or wrongly. As the FA themselves have said it is not against any rules!
The outcry afterwards suggesting that was a massive issue was nonsense. Any handshake would of been a lie and not solved anything, are we stupid enough to think it would?
He doesn't respect Evra in any way shape or form and this should have been no surprise to Patrice Evra who then incredibly arrogantly decided to grab him, go after him at half time and then seek to incite trouble at full time yet not a single word of criticism....it beggars belief.
If he wasn't a small minded arrogant prima donna he'd had not been in the slightest bit worried about Luis Suarez having known he's had an 8 game ban as a punishment and not spent the next 2 hours having a tantrum because Suarez didn't falsely shake his hand. Who does he think he is?
Perhaps Evra should apologise for his reference to Luis's sisters ****
posted on 14/2/12
This whole sorry saga was started by one man, Evra. He started the insults and Suarez responded, Evra then cried to the world about how he had been insulted!
Forget the cultural differences, linguistics, holes in the report, non-handshakes etc...if Evra had been big enough to accept a bit of verbal back then none of this would have happened. To me he is the epitome of a coward, pure and simple...he couldn't take getting outplayed by Suarez, tried to wind him up and then hid behind the race card when Suarez gave him some verbal back.
For me, all insults are the same and carry the same meaning, i.e. you are going out of your way to belittle/demean somebody. Why is colour of skin more insulting? The fact that it as seen as more insulting is a socially constructed fallacy that has as its basis a feeling of guilt over past actions by our society/country.
Is it okay for me (as a black man) to insult somebody's family, call their mother whatever I want, and say that I think they are worse than Hitler...but as soon as they insult my colour I am excused for my despicable behaviour and they are then the guilty party? This is an extreme example but it seems okay in the current climate for me to say whatever I want to somebody as long as its not racist, and as son as my colour is mentioned then I am excused!
Insults are insults, they are meant to demean, they are nasty and are meant to cause offence...throwing insults around and then hiding behind your colour when it was you who started the insults is cowardly imo, and that is what started this whole affair...it sickens me to see this happening, and it does nothing to help the fight against racism.
If Evra and United were really interested in fighting racism then they would have reported the incident to the Police, that would send a clear message as to a) their insistence and confidence that racism had actually occurred, and b) that if you use racially abusive language then you will feel the force of the law, rather than just miss a few games and be fined a few bob....but they didn't, why?
posted on 14/2/12
This incident was a real chance for everyone, all those on these boards, and all those who for some reason have decided that Suarez is a racist to take a stand.
Terry has been taken to task, the courts will deal with him, so why has nobody, be that Evra, Fergie, the FA panel, the FA themselves, and all the United fans who are quite willing to accuse Suarez not complained to the police? Surely a criminal act has occurred, surely the 115 page report will be enough to convict Suarez in a real court, he is guilty after all, so let's see him punished properly...let's really kick racism out of football and get the racial abuser that is Suarez punished with the full weight of our laws.
Who is with me? Let's not guess at stuff and give him a slap on the wrists, let us really punish him, let's get him a criminal record which would make it difficult for him to work in other EU countries. I dare any body to attempt to get Suarez properly punished. He clearly does not accept his guilt, so let's really stick it to him...complain about his actions, complain that he racially abused Evra to the authorities, that will teach him a lesson....go for it guys!
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