Can I just say something here......

Yeah, for sure.....looks like Rangers have spent millions they never had.

But HMRC havent actually won the tax case toi prove as much

paisley read that back, your quote in brackets) !!!!

are you really as daft as you make out

Paisley. even the BBC had to admit that The Rangers hold the WORLD RECORD for trophies won.

Tone

You've lost me, feel free to point it out...

Paisley I would give up trying to explain things to poor Tone, Ishmael says he's not the full shilling.

Could it not be argued that there is a question to be asked here?

For example. The use of EBTs meant that Rangers were able to afford higher wages than they would normally have been if they were paying tax.

If they had not used EBTs, arguably, the standard of the playing staff would have dropped.

Van Bronkhorst? Prso? Amoruso? Ferguson?

Would Rangers have been as successful if they had been unable to field players of this calibre?

I don't think the argument should be brushed under the carpet. You could argue that Rangers, by using EBTs,help an unfair competitive advantage, relative to their own revenue streams, compared to the other spl teams.

Just sayin'

because that's what the EBT was about wasn't it, paying higher wages

ie - bringing in players you wouldn't be able to afford without the use of EBT'S (court judgement pending)

And you missed my point that in the past 3 years our wages have been less than yours and yet we won the league.

Yes you can imply a link between EBT and quality of player, what you can't state is that without them Celtic would have won the league.

It's false logic

Paisley,

Platini might think differently.

You get what you pay for more often than not. You could argue that any sporting gain set against the EBT context would undermine its validity.

Clubs with filthy rich owners gain an unfair advantage simply because the owner can afford to throw money away..

in the past 3 years our wages have been less than yours and yet we won the league

your not being cited for the last 3 years !!!

head--------sand

If Rangers titles are invalid...any achievement by any club around the world that is in a massive amount of debt, is also invalid.

Taken from a report in 2010
Manchester United....£716m in debt
Chelsea......£701m in debt
Valencia.....£501m in debt
Liverpool......£351m in debt
Real Madrid.....£296m in debt
Barcelona, the best club in the world right now, world and European club champions......£273m in debt
Roma.....£271m in debt
Schalke....£234m in debt
Arsenal...a club admired for its youth policy and stuff.....£203m in debt
Fulham, Uefa Cup finalists not that long ago...£198m in debt

If Rangers owe the taxman £75m....then the debt they are in goes up by £75m....its as simple as that, doesnt matter that we owe the taxman, debt is debt

Clubs with filthy rich owners gain an unfair advantage simply because the owner can afford to throw money away

but your 'owner' couldn't

Tone, so you want us to give up the titles won in 2003 and 2005?

Even assuming that 52 > 44

Dominated

'might think'

'more often than not'

'You could argue'


Shampoo... at least you're no being ambiguous.

st3vie,

How many of those clubs have (allegedly) stiffed the taxman to fund their winning sides?

When the taxpayer is involved, debt is not just debt.

"but your 'owner' couldn't "

Does it matter who's money it is??

p!shy,

Just putting it out there, getting the debate going n'at.

'Does it matter who's money it is??'

Yes. It really does. You are now seeing the taxpayers alliance getting involved in this.

And do you think Alex Salmond looking for a 'fair' conclusion will go down well with the Daily Mail hordes?

It could be construed as 'Scots on the make' again.

Tone are you just pretending to be stupid?

"When the taxpayer is involved, debt is not just debt."

Sorry mate....but it is

when the taxpayer is involved, it becomes personal.

Still just debt though.

Put it this way.....how much have the banks fooked us with the banking crisis...how much taxpayers money has been used to rescue the banks.

If a football club, again like Rangers, owed one of these banks £75m, and not the taxman, would that make any difference...coz effectively then, any club that is in bucketloads of debt with a state owned bank is in debt to the taxman.....same as Rangers

debt is debt

not if it's 'unsustainable' debt, it then becomes......ADMINISTRATION

bingo

Yes st3vie, but this is millionaire footballers we are talking about here.

It's not a public service.

Anyway we're getting away from the fact that youse pyoor bumped us oota trophies!

Tone are you just pretending to be stupid?

with you mate there's no pretence

Tone are you just pretending to be stupid?.