You love it

Yes, I do love it. He's a kn0b who deserves to be dropped. Big time charlie

I think your mental. The lads a good player, home grown and a joy to watch when he's on it. Like a lot of players of his type he needs handling well to get the best the best out of him.

I despair at how happy some Forest fans seem to be that Cotterills getting rid of footballers because he's not good enough to get them playing. We can all say what a tank the big lad from Wolves is, but he's never been a footballer in any proper sense of the word. And this is what the future holds for us. Lots of big lads lots of head tennis, little football.

I'm glad your happy because I'm not. Lets see how happy you are as time goes on.

he can't really argue with being dropped,

if he doesn't like it, he should play better

Sutton,

I have agreed with you in the past with regarding Cotterill - the man isn't the man to take us forward but I do agree with him dropping Lewis. He has been shocking this season, possibly the most shocking out of all the players.

I'm happy he's dropped Lewis but not happy with the way he sets us up every week playing the sort of football that doesn't warrant the entrance fee.

So in all, you think I'm mental for expressing an opinion regarding one of our players? Fair enough, but perhaps you should take a look in the mirror from time to time Sutton

If we could sell McGugan and buy Guedioura (sic?), I'd be happy!

McGugan has been poor now for far too long, under more managers than just Cotterill. It seems as though he got complacent and cocky following a storming start to last season. He hasn't emulated that since.

If we could sell McGugan and buy Guedioura (sic?), I'd be happy!

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I do think it's mental, as plenty of people think a lot, if not most of what i say is mental. I can live with it, I'm sure you can.

In terms of pure talent there are very few players in this league that can match Lewis. It's easy to have a go because he's a bit cocky and maybe he should tone it down because it will rub people up the wrong way. But he's a young lad and a lot of the better flair type players are the same. It seems to go with the territory.

But i don't really care what he's like as lad. I think it's a real shame if we've given up on him. Footballing ability is quite rare at this level and comes at a price if you want to buy it. We should be looking to harness that ability, we should be emplying managers that want to do that. Not ones that willl go, well we'll just stick him in the stands and bring and X,Y or Z because he's bigger and he'll run around a lot.

There are many reasons why i think Cotterill is wrong for Forest. To me this highlights one perfectly.

Not everything is Cotterills fault, or has to be brought back to Cotterill.

McGugan didn't play well under McLaren, and he didn't play well for the last 6 months of Billy's tenure.

McGugan is a grown man, and shouldn't need someone mothering the best football out of him. It is up to him to show the correct mentality and play with passion and pride. He hasn't been doing this for a long time now.

I agree with all of that Hoons.

I honestly don't know why we bother with a manager. Everyone apart from Forest fans seems to accept that man management is a massive part if not the main part of a managers job. Apart from Forest fans.

A Forest manager just picks eleven players and if they don't play well it's not his fault. I don't know why Sunderland bothered sacking Bruce. They should have just told them to play better. I don't know how Martian O'Neill or Neill warnock ever have had a career in management.

Hoons i know what your saying, but if McClaren didn't do something we can't expect others too? McClaren didn't do a lot of things. If we're going to hold him up as the level of performance that's acceptable from a Forest manager we are going to be in the conference in a few seasons.

To be honest I think part of the problem with Lewis is not of his own making, when he plays it often seems like a lot of the other players look to him to to produce the spectacular and if you are giving him the ball all the time and he is not at his best he looks worse, plus the opposition can cater for one man easier than they can for a whole team. Without him in the team the other players know that they will have to take more responsibility and as a result we seem to play better as a team.

can't see any reason to put him back in. no doubt he's a great player when he wants to be but guediora is playing brilliant no surprise he can't get in the team!

Martian oneill?? ha ha ha Sutton you really are on another planet!

What are you talking about Sutton? Is it AVB's fault Torres can't hit a barn door? Has every England manager since Ramsey been useless? How come Mclaren motivated Boro and Twente players?

McGugan has to take most of the blame for his performance. We are near the bottom of the league, we need players that fight. Hit and miss players like Lewis, especially when out of form, are risky when you are in a dog fight. We just need to stay up now. Like it or not that's the objective. When was the last time a team stayed up playing great football? The reason we are down there is cause we are poor. We just need to be less poor than three other teams!

Pathetic article The fact the OP is loving the demise of a young talented Forest player thats out of form, lost his way and is finding the game tough at the moment. To find some kind of joy/thrill in seeing this I find very bizarre to say the least

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Hopefully Cotterill can have the same positive effect on McGugan as he has clearly had on McLeary

hoons cmon now its clear to see its SOD that as had an effect on mcleary and the rest of the squad.

Cotternill and the squad were not performing before SOD`s arrival

What are you talking about Sutton? Is it AVB's fault Torres can't hit a barn door? Has every England manager since Ramsey been useless? How come Mclaren motivated Boro and Twente players?

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No, England managers have taken us to semi finals of tournaments.

McClaren can motivate Dutch players because he's a decent manager. Out his depth with England and he was hard done to to an extent at forest and didn't have the time.


The managers job is to get the best out off his players. That's not to say the player takes no responsibility for there own performance. But a good manager would be able to get him playing.

It's great Cotterills had a positive effect on McCleary. Just a shame he had a negative effect on everyone else

Firstly, SOD wouldn't be here if it wasn't for SC .. just think how well we might be doing if SC got to choose the rest of his backroom staff? And secondly, I'd say our turn around had more to do with SC getting the right players in, and forming a decent team, rather than the appointment of SOD. It's all helped though, and SC gets credit for it all

I'd love to see McG in the side playing the way we know he can but lets face it he doesn't deserve to be in the side and it's not a coincidence that results have got better without him. He is a good player but with a poor attitude and at his level attitude is vital. I'd say that if he'd not come through the ranks and been from Nottingham he'd have been dropped months ago and probably wouldn't be on the contract he is on.

To blame anyone but McG for his current plight is being ridiculous Sutton and showing that you have a one-track point of view. Cotterill hasn't dropped him because "he's a footballer" rather because he has played like a luxury player with no end product for ages.

A couple of wins after one of the worst runs in the history of the club and owd Hoons as got Cotterill down as miracle worker.

I know you like him Hoons and we all want him to do well. If he does well Forest do well and then everyone's happy. But do you really think he ever will, do you really think he has enough support from the fans? This forums a bit misleading on other forums and on twitter forest fans are gunning for him. They won't him out and don't want his brand of football. Do you really think they'll win them round?

I just can't see it. Maybe it is best he stays the rest of the season, he looks like he might be able to string enough results together to keep us up. But long term do you really think he'll be good for Forest?

The last two result have been hugely positive. I personally didn't think we'd turn this around and although it could quite easily go pear shaped again with a couple of defeats, we're actually looking pretty solid. The games we've won, we've battled for and earned the three. I don't think the quality of football we're playing at the moment is to do with the players Cotterill has brought in, but the position in the table the club is in. When you're at the bottom, confidence is low. Until Higginbottom and Gued came in we looked well short of muscle. I think Cotterill deserve's credit for bringing these guys in because they are exactly what we needed. These guys are good footballers. I love Lewis and my kids would be gutted if we sold him, but we've known for ages that he's far from the complete player. You can't play him in a four four two formation, because he's not a striker, and he doesn't track back. In an ideal world you'd build a side designed to get the best out of him, like QPR used Taraabt last season, but we're not in a position where we can do this at the moment. If Cotterill keeps us up, it will be interesting to see what he does with us over the summer. He'll certainly deserve the opportunity to do that if he does. IMHO.