What do you expect when we have pathetic players? I'm not talking about the ability, their attitude is pathetic.

I expect a manager to make sure these players have the right attitude on the pitch just as Jose, Hiddink and Calo have proved!

It´s the players who have to cross that white line onto the pitch and it´s the players who actually play.

The players have let us all down and if they don´t break their backs making sure we finish top four I will never forgive them.

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OPs reaction to my fair comment - PATHETIC and UNCONVINCING

You can see a fantastic pattern there. Great until Arsenal, mini spell afterwards with mass inconstantancy around Christmas followed by a dramatic fall.

Do a similar tale of the tape from Scolari and it's a near mirror image. It's the form of a squad which at one point has flat out refused to play for the manager, regardless of his strategy or presence. Bottom line, they stopped dead in their own tracks.

You were absolutely right Guilit's Ghost. AVB should've been bold enough to blow a hole in this team when he had the chance. N if he hadn't of done it this summer, i'd have turned on him too.

I expect a manager to make sure these players have the right attitude on the pitch just as Jose, Hiddink and Calo have proved!
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For the manager to do that the players need to know who the boss is and hence the club must support the manager. If you keep changing the managers the players won't respect the manager and won't work for him. Why should you work hard when you can get your boss sacked and still get paid?

Hmmm. Even though we beat City, Valencia, Newcastle, I wasnt convinced by the performances.

Its sad how this has come about. I honestly didnt want AVB to get the sack. He's only 33/34. Not nice to come into a new country and into a new job but have literally a whole team against you but there was no other option. He was way out of his depth. The board should never have given him this job in the first place.

Stories about AVB being obsessed with the job and trying his damndest to impress Roman, and sleeping in the Cobham Training ground doesnt surprise me. He was trying his best but it wasnt enough.

The only thing that would make me feel slightly better about the sacking is if the players who undermined him were sold on in the summer. No tribute or round of applause for them or anything. They're as much to blame for this season as AVB is.

You cant just turn up at a new job relatively young yourself and demand respect from the players who have been there for years.

Think about it. The trick is to get all the players on side.Get them believing in you. Mourinho did it. Hiddink did it and so did Carlo. Once you get them all onside and all pulling in the right direction, they'd break their back for you and would fight tooth and nail for you.

I know you're meant to play for the club and the badge and not the manager but its not as simple as that.

Once AVB had lost these players or they didnt belive in him right from the start, how can he even begin to get his tactics/formation/ideas across when they dont relate to him.

comment by HHHBF - Still the Leader of the pro-AVB Brigade, replace this spineless spine (U6522)

posted 7 minutes ago

You can see a fantastic pattern there. Great until Arsenal, mini spell afterwards with mass inconstantancy around Christmas followed by a dramatic fall.

Do a similar tale of the tape from Scolari and it's a near mirror image.
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You think mate?

Scolari.......

FANTASTIC home win vs Pompy
UNCONVINCING away win vs Wigan
STEADY home draw vs Spurs
FANASTIC and COURAGEOUS away win vs City
UNCONVINCING but DETERMINED home draw vs United
CONVINCING away win vs Stoke
CONVINCING home win vs Villa
5 STAR away win vs Boro
POOR LOSS to Liverpool at home (unbeaten run gone)

Bounced back with 3 league wins. The rest is downhill I suppose.

AVB never even had that many convincing performances as Scolari did. Scolaris problem was that he never had a plan B.


Orion (U6089)
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I totally agree with you that the players are disgraceful. They have not let AVB down, they have let US the FANS down

Mr Chelsea (U3579)
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Thats why I put City and Newcastle wins as courageous and determined wins and not convincing

Actually I won't defend Scolari as much HHBF because he had a Champions League final squad. Poor manager for what he had available.

That team Scolari had was in it's prime, remember that. But the pattern remains the same.

Yes I understand HHHBF. I have to take that into account.