If only we had a motivating man manager, over the last few years!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh we did
Billy Davies!
When is Frank Clark gonna sack Steve Cottrill, cuz he will at some point, just get the pain and misery over now please Frank!
by sutton (U3208)
You also see people say the players are low on confidence or aren't just aren't trying, almost to excuse the manager from the teams poor performance. But again surely it's the managers to motivate the players? Surely man management is as big a part of the job as picking a team, formations, tatics and the rest of it?
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this is true to a degree but at no stage have you acknowledged that for the players to choose not to try their best whilst still taking handsome wage packets out of the club is utterly unnacceptable whichever way you look at it.
whilst i'd like to see cotterill gone it is not his fault if, for example, lewis mcgugan decides he can't be bothered to put the effort in, that is on the player.
the player in this instance is mugging everyone off, the owner, the manager, his team mates and the fans, and here the fans are defending them even though they are the ones the player laughs at when he blows 10 grand of our money in the casino.
cotterill may well be out of his depth but the core of his squad is rotten and never gave him much of a chance to be fair
Well drop them FFS, who else is to blame acept the manager!
Someone has to take responsabilty and I accept 1000% the players are letting SC down too, but he should motivate them better!
We can't just say ooooooooohhhhhhh weeeeeeeelllllllllllll
Can we?
Aladdin_Sane think back to what Clough said to Revie after his ill-fated tenure at Leeds, "they only wanted to play for you Don."
2 x managers have tried since Billy, do you ever think Billy created a team that played for Billy Davies, not Nottingham Forest?
What you're watching now is the sad fallout of a team created around one man's paranoia as opposed to a team created around the history, legacy and dreams of their supporters.
I recognise Billy was a marked improvement somewhat at Forest, from Derby and Preston, but his motivational techniques are so personality driven that when he's gone it all falls apart. Until, new players come in and/or old players go through extensive rehabilitation, it is very hard to motivate them.
Meant to say history and legacy of the club and dreams of the supporters....just to clarify,
If you go to a library and look for books on 'How to be a Good Manager' you will see there ar dozens of them. So we are not going to come up with the answer on these boards.
But I would suggest a large part of being a good (football) manager is having the ability to maximise the synergy generated by a group of players. I'll leave it to others to suggest how that is best achieved
Players get their motivation from their manager do they?
Or can they be self motivated? Can the crowd motivate them? Can their family motivate them? Can God? Can Greed?
Red..I reckon a boot up the r's could motivate them..or with our lot perhaps not
2 Wellies You have touched on what I feel is the most important question facing us.
Do we decide to put down a blueprint for the way we want to play football at all levels of the club. And then appoint the right people to apply this in the future. Then when there is a change in manager, the replacement is appointed on their ability and commitment to add to and advance the principles by which we play. We have been subject to the varied ideas of the nurmerous managers that have been employed.Then when one is replaced it is preceeded by wholsale change. We need players that in principle play for the club, for good footballing principles and not just one manager.
Paul Hart came the closest to what I belive is the way forward.
Swansea are, maybe, the current example of how success can be achieved on limited resources. They have been successful in laying down the principles of how to play and each new manager has not altered this ,but has added his own idividuality to it. Brendan Rodgers has taken it to the level that they are at now. The continuity and the footballing priniples are the foundation from which the progression has been achieved.
I feel we must learn from Swansea. Our traditions are of playing good football the right way.Our history and our potential crowd base is in respect larger than where Swansea started from.
We have to decide whether a single manager can bring a period of success again, and when he goes there follows termoil. Or are we going to build something that is far more long lasting.
Good point Hutch which is why despite the many Clough bashers I have stuck with him and a long term vision of supporting youth and playing attacking football on the ground (we haven't seen the latter yet).
I agree on Swansea Martinez-Sousa-Rodgers effectively 4/5 years of playing a posesssion game and now they play Arsenal off the park.
Also, check out soccernomics and the rise of Lyon, the manager was secondary to their vision and easily disposable. I think Frank Clark will bring a vision to the club, but like us, it can take a lot of mediocrity in the interim period,
sorry 2 Wellies sorry for the late reply, work !
What I picked up on in your earlier post was the line " a team created around the history,legacy and dreams of their supporters " The economic shake down that seems to be about to happen in football will ,I feel, distinuish the successful clubs from the ones who will fall away. Derby County are ahead of many in this respect. Nigel is a football man and those in power at Derby are to be congratulated for sticking with him. He is laying down the foundations for a long term future for Derby based on economic common sense, team ethic and a passing game.
Now as regards to Forest.There was no question of Nigel Doughty`s good intensions or his generosity but the legacy is termoil. Due to I feel the merry go round of managers.
We need to reel our necks in a bit at forest and follow your example and Swansea`s. In other words a total review and plan for the future.
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posted on 7/3/12
If only we had a motivating man manager, over the last few years!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh we did
Billy Davies!
When is Frank Clark gonna sack Steve Cottrill, cuz he will at some point, just get the pain and misery over now please Frank!
posted on 7/3/12
by sutton (U3208)
You also see people say the players are low on confidence or aren't just aren't trying, almost to excuse the manager from the teams poor performance. But again surely it's the managers to motivate the players? Surely man management is as big a part of the job as picking a team, formations, tatics and the rest of it?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
this is true to a degree but at no stage have you acknowledged that for the players to choose not to try their best whilst still taking handsome wage packets out of the club is utterly unnacceptable whichever way you look at it.
whilst i'd like to see cotterill gone it is not his fault if, for example, lewis mcgugan decides he can't be bothered to put the effort in, that is on the player.
the player in this instance is mugging everyone off, the owner, the manager, his team mates and the fans, and here the fans are defending them even though they are the ones the player laughs at when he blows 10 grand of our money in the casino.
cotterill may well be out of his depth but the core of his squad is rotten and never gave him much of a chance to be fair
posted on 7/3/12
Well drop them FFS, who else is to blame acept the manager!
Someone has to take responsabilty and I accept 1000% the players are letting SC down too, but he should motivate them better!
We can't just say ooooooooohhhhhhh weeeeeeeelllllllllllll
Can we?
posted on 7/3/12
Aladdin_Sane think back to what Clough said to Revie after his ill-fated tenure at Leeds, "they only wanted to play for you Don."
2 x managers have tried since Billy, do you ever think Billy created a team that played for Billy Davies, not Nottingham Forest?
What you're watching now is the sad fallout of a team created around one man's paranoia as opposed to a team created around the history, legacy and dreams of their supporters.
I recognise Billy was a marked improvement somewhat at Forest, from Derby and Preston, but his motivational techniques are so personality driven that when he's gone it all falls apart. Until, new players come in and/or old players go through extensive rehabilitation, it is very hard to motivate them.
posted on 7/3/12
Meant to say history and legacy of the club and dreams of the supporters....just to clarify,
posted on 7/3/12
If you go to a library and look for books on 'How to be a Good Manager' you will see there ar dozens of them. So we are not going to come up with the answer on these boards.
But I would suggest a large part of being a good (football) manager is having the ability to maximise the synergy generated by a group of players. I'll leave it to others to suggest how that is best achieved
posted on 7/3/12
Players get their motivation from their manager do they?
Or can they be self motivated? Can the crowd motivate them? Can their family motivate them? Can God? Can Greed?
posted on 7/3/12
Red..I reckon a boot up the r's could motivate them..or with our lot perhaps not
posted on 7/3/12
2 Wellies You have touched on what I feel is the most important question facing us.
Do we decide to put down a blueprint for the way we want to play football at all levels of the club. And then appoint the right people to apply this in the future. Then when there is a change in manager, the replacement is appointed on their ability and commitment to add to and advance the principles by which we play. We have been subject to the varied ideas of the nurmerous managers that have been employed.Then when one is replaced it is preceeded by wholsale change. We need players that in principle play for the club, for good footballing principles and not just one manager.
Paul Hart came the closest to what I belive is the way forward.
Swansea are, maybe, the current example of how success can be achieved on limited resources. They have been successful in laying down the principles of how to play and each new manager has not altered this ,but has added his own idividuality to it. Brendan Rodgers has taken it to the level that they are at now. The continuity and the footballing priniples are the foundation from which the progression has been achieved.
I feel we must learn from Swansea. Our traditions are of playing good football the right way.Our history and our potential crowd base is in respect larger than where Swansea started from.
We have to decide whether a single manager can bring a period of success again, and when he goes there follows termoil. Or are we going to build something that is far more long lasting.
posted on 8/3/12
Good point Hutch which is why despite the many Clough bashers I have stuck with him and a long term vision of supporting youth and playing attacking football on the ground (we haven't seen the latter yet).
I agree on Swansea Martinez-Sousa-Rodgers effectively 4/5 years of playing a posesssion game and now they play Arsenal off the park.
Also, check out soccernomics and the rise of Lyon, the manager was secondary to their vision and easily disposable. I think Frank Clark will bring a vision to the club, but like us, it can take a lot of mediocrity in the interim period,
posted on 9/3/12
sorry 2 Wellies sorry for the late reply, work !
What I picked up on in your earlier post was the line " a team created around the history,legacy and dreams of their supporters " The economic shake down that seems to be about to happen in football will ,I feel, distinuish the successful clubs from the ones who will fall away. Derby County are ahead of many in this respect. Nigel is a football man and those in power at Derby are to be congratulated for sticking with him. He is laying down the foundations for a long term future for Derby based on economic common sense, team ethic and a passing game.
Now as regards to Forest.There was no question of Nigel Doughty`s good intensions or his generosity but the legacy is termoil. Due to I feel the merry go round of managers.
We need to reel our necks in a bit at forest and follow your example and Swansea`s. In other words a total review and plan for the future.
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