The day Wenger goes is the day Arsenal start a long fall from the top. Their is no manager right now who's available and has the same calibre as Arsene. Arsene is one in a million and asking for his resignation is foolish at best
A bit of a knee-jerk reaction this don't you think?
It's been reported you are selling Nasri and Clichy for 29.8M which is an excellent sum. 40M for Fabregas.
I highly doubt Wenger will sign those players you've named except Gervinho. Do you really believe he will?!
Samba at Arsenal?!
Come on Batmanu, we have dealt with much bigger losses than fabregas and Nasri.
I understand your concern about us losing Fabregas because he's a world class player and he'll be hard to replace, but why are people so worried about losing Nasri? Why? Just why? He performed well for half of last season and that's it. Nothing less, nothing more. We can easily replace Nasri. Easily.
I no, I don't think Wenger should go. We would be where we are without him.
Batmanu i'am with you what's going on am so worried I need some reassuring from somewhere!
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" but why are people so worried about losing Nasri? Why? Just why? He performed well for half of last season and that's it. Nothing less, nothing more. We can easily replace Nasri. Easily. "
I'm not THAT concerned about losing Nasri, it's more of a case of who we are losing him to, either United or Citeh. I don't know if I am the only one but I loved Nasri's performance against United in 2008. I loved how he ripped Citeh apart at CoMS last season. It would just hurt me that much more if he ended up playing for one of them and came back to hurt us.
If the worst is true, what good manager could come in and make a difference? Whom would you entrust to guarantee our position in the top 4 next season and do you think they'd actually come?
As angry as I am with Wenger and his ideological wage structure and retained faith in clearly mediocre players, ironically there is nobody I'd trust more to get us out of this position than Wenger. I can't see any new appointment doing anything but accelerating a decline in our fortunes.
We still have some wonderfully talented youth players coming through, and Wenger will now have enough money to strengthen the team in all areas.
I understand your frustration and the last thing I wanted to lose was our best players this summer. But there was a deep rooted malaise evident in our squad last season. There were far too many demotivated, lethargic and utterly indifferent performances from our team. If we can arise from the ashes of this summer with a drastically changed squad with a much healthier attitude, then perhaps this might have been just what we needed.
"Come on Batmanu, we have dealt with much bigger losses than fabregas and Nasri. "
As for this, have we? This may sound controversial but Fabregas in my opinion is more important to us now than Henry was when he left and he has been the biggest loss we have had in my memory of being a Gooner (1994 before somebody says I am a post Wenger fanboy).
Even if we spend all the money we get from these transfers, which i highly doubt, why would any top player want to come to Arsenal when 2 of our top players are so desperate to leave. The club wage structure needs changing as football has moved on and we have been stagnant for too long.
"I'm not THAT concerned about losing Nasri, it's more of a case of who we are losing him to, either United or Citeh. I don't know if I am the only one but I loved Nasri's performance against United in 2008. I loved how he ripped Citeh apart at CoMS last season. It would just hurt me that much more if he ended up playing for one of them and came back to hurt us."
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Fair enough then.
Nasri is a talented player, but he's very inconsistent and unreliable. Sure he's had some good games, but he's also had games where he's been invisible. I think he will become a great player if he chooses the right path, but that's a big IF. I can see him ending up like Hleb and Adebayor if he joins City. Btw, I'm 100% certain he won't be joining Man Utd.
The difference between Fabregas/Nasri leaving and Vieira/Henry leaving is that the latter were already at the peak of their powers. It'll be several years yet before Fabregas and Nasri reach their peaks. And this markes a new low for us insofar as we're losing players at younger ages.
Before we know it, Wilshere and Myaichi will be demanding moves next season.
I can't believe that after having such a nightmare end to the season we are on the verge of losing Fabregas and Nasri. We should have been looking to strengthen but instead we are headed in the complete opposite direction.
A top4 finish next season would be Wenger's biggest achievement.
AuHasardBendtner (U3534)
The difference between Fabregas/Nasri leaving and Vieira/Henry leaving is that the latter were already at the peak of their powers. It'll be several years yet before Fabregas and Nasri reach their peaks. And this markes a new low for us insofar as we're losing players at younger ages.
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"I do however think Samba and Cahill are extremely average and I never thought Wenger would go near either of them. But everybody else seems to think it will happen and most of those people actually think that Samba and Cahill will be good signings! What is going on?!"
Anyways talking about the players you've been linked to, how about Vidal?
Alongside Sahin, has been Bundesliga best midfielder. Has a phenomenal engine, great passing range and statistically won the most tackles in the league, ahead of young impressive defensive midfielder Sven Bender.
I expect this to be a busy transfer season for Arsenal!
"If the worst is true, what good manager could come in and make a difference? Whom would you entrust to guarantee our position in the top 4 next season and do you think they'd actually come? "
This is the problem, I can't think of anybody who could come in and do a better job. With the financial restrictions at the club, the (possible) problems at board level, the knowledge Wenger has at the club. The only people I could see taking over would be somebody like Steve Bould, Martin Keown, etc, people that know what Arsenal is all about, people that could try freshen the club up a bit, but even they would be massive gambles.
I look at Man United in envy at the moment, not because of the trophies they are winning but the position their squad is in. Their players don't want to leave and everybody wants to join them. They are signing young players (Smalling, Jones, De Gea, etc) that have big futures at the club. We on the other hand are letting young players like Cesc and Nasri goes. Whoever takes over United will have a club in good shape for the future, whereas whoever takes over Arsenal will have one hell of a task on their hand. And considering the respective debts and financial positions of both clubs, we shouldn't be in the position we are in now, but the fact is we are. Who is to blame?
nice to see a familiar name from bbc 606!. Batmanu brilliant article mate and i agree with everything you have said. It seems like people on bere bite your head off when you criticise arsenal or voice an opinion.
if cesc and nasri leave this summer, once my shock and deep disappointment and sadness has passed, i'm going to be extremely excited and anxious to see who we sign. there will need to be some big changes made. if there aren't any, then i think it may well signal the end of wenger's reign at this club.
And who looks like coming in? Gervinho? Cahill? Samba?!?!? Do these players make you feel confident of winning the league? Hell, do they even give you any confidence in finishing 4th? These are the type of players that Spurs usually turn to.
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I look at Man United in envy at the moment, not because of the trophies they are winning but the position their squad is in. Their players don't want to leave and everybody wants to join them. They are signing young players (Smalling, Jones, De Gea, etc) that have big futures at the club. We on the other hand are letting young players like Cesc and Nasri goes. Whoever takes over United will have a club in good shape for the future, whereas whoever takes over Arsenal will have one hell of a task on their hand. And considering the respective debts and financial positions of both clubs, we shouldn't be in the position we are in now, but the fact is we are. Who is to blame?
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I hate to say it but this is the natural consequence of Wenger's socialistic pay structure that offers as much parity to all players as possible. The best can earn far more elsewhere and the worst are on bumper contracts relative to their ability.
I'm only somewhat envious of United but imo their young players are not exceptionally talented with the exception of De Gea and maybe Jones. Smalling didn't convince me last season, and I think Ferguson rushed into that one. United are in a similar position to us. At the end of the day they cannot compete with the financial flex of Citeh and Chelsea.
Like I said, I was all in favour of a radical overhaul of our squad after last season but I hadn't planned on losing both Cesc and Nasri. Still though, if the overhaul is complete and we succeed in bringing in mentally stronger players, then I won't be too dissappointed. I mean it's probably going to happen so let's just try and make the best of things.
In all seriousness I totally agree with BatManU. I've heard many people saying we can "replace Cesc easily", "replace Nasri easily" "They've had a good 3 months but been nothing special" etc but sometimes the damage isn't just physical, it's psychological.
If you are Sagna, Waclott or RVP sitting in thew dressing room, not won a trophy for X amount of years, already doubting the manager and direction of the club and two of your best players are leaving, then what motivation is there to do well for next season?
IMO none
The situation is worse simply because these are players in their prime, not players past their peak and in their late 20s/early 30s going to LA Galaxy or to play in Europe for Turkish also-rans.
I can't understand why Wenger or the club would be willing to let them go, but keep Rosicky, Arshavin, Diaby, Bendtener, Vela, Denilson, Squillaci all of whom IMO are surplus to requirements at Arsenal and bar Arshavin (in form) not good enough to play for Arsenal.
There must be something going on behind the scenes, perhaps a tug of war between Kroenke and Usmanov is affecting the club.
"United are in a similar position to us. At the end of the day they cannot compete with the financial flex of Citeh and Chelsea. "
Similar, but not identical. Unlike us, they are the most successful club in the country and even when they are not the dominant force in England, they will pick up the odd trophy, something we haven't done in a while and if we are being honest, it's something that becomes a major stumbling block when trying to sign players - examples being Jones and Smalling chosing United over ourselves in recent transfer windows.
"Still though, if the overhaul is complete and we succeed in bringing in mentally stronger players, then I won't be too dissappointed. I mean it's probably going to happen so let's just try and make the best of things."
Yes...lets
Every year one or more of our top player leaves and the deadwood from 4,5 years ago still remains. Now will it be RVP's turn next year?
Realistically would we able to get any top players this summer with our outdated wage structure? I hope i'm wrong but things look very bleak right now.
If you are Sagna, Waclott or RVP sitting in thew dressing room, not won a trophy for X amount of years, already doubting the manager and direction of the club and two of your best players are leaving, then what motivation is there to do well for next season?
IMO none
The situation is worse simply because these are players in their prime, not players past their peak and in their late 20s/early 30s going to LA Galaxy or to play in Europe for Turkish also-rans.
I can't understand why Wenger or the club would be willing to let them go, but keep Rosicky, Arshavin, Diaby, Bendtener, Vela, Denilson, Squillaci all of whom IMO are surplus to requirements at Arsenal and bar Arshavin (in form) not good enough to play for Arsenal.
There must be something going on behind the scenes, perhaps a tug of war between Kroenke and Usmanov is affecting the club.
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Good post which I almost entirely agree with. But as I keep iterating and reiterating, even in our most impressive form in January/February last year I was never fully...impressed. There's a real attitude problem with the playing personnel at our club, and a radical overhaul was required anyway. The worst thing that could happen now would be for us to keeping the likes of Bendtner/Denilson because we've lost Fabregas and Nasri. If the overhaul is complete and the deadwood removed, and a new calibre of mentally strong players is brought in, then I think we can be reborn anew.
Then again, I'm the eternal optimist when I'm not actually watching us play.
Similar, but not identical. Unlike us, they are the most successful club in the country and even when they are not the dominant force in England, they will pick up the odd trophy, something we haven't done in a while and if we are being honest, it's something that becomes a major stumbling block when trying to sign players - examples being Jones and Smalling chosing United over ourselves in recent transfer windows.
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With Citeh's and Villas-Boas arrival, I think you'll find United struggling even on that front. In our defence too, we have built a stadium in the last six years which we're still paying back. We rode our luck via other team's misfortunes to stay in the top 4, but we still managed to do it.
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Yes...lets
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Sound off like you got a pair. At the height of our invincible powers, did we have a player like Fabregas in our team? We didn't, and as I say if the overhaul is complete and we return to the meaner more athletic team of the past, then I won't complain.
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posted on 30/6/11
The day Wenger goes is the day Arsenal start a long fall from the top. Their is no manager right now who's available and has the same calibre as Arsene. Arsene is one in a million and asking for his resignation is foolish at best
posted on 30/6/11
A bit of a knee-jerk reaction this don't you think?
It's been reported you are selling Nasri and Clichy for 29.8M which is an excellent sum. 40M for Fabregas.
I highly doubt Wenger will sign those players you've named except Gervinho. Do you really believe he will?!
Samba at Arsenal?!
posted on 30/6/11
Come on Batmanu, we have dealt with much bigger losses than fabregas and Nasri.
I understand your concern about us losing Fabregas because he's a world class player and he'll be hard to replace, but why are people so worried about losing Nasri? Why? Just why? He performed well for half of last season and that's it. Nothing less, nothing more. We can easily replace Nasri. Easily.
I no, I don't think Wenger should go. We would be where we are without him.
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posted on 30/6/11
Batmanu i'am with you what's going on am so worried I need some reassuring from somewhere!
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posted on 30/6/11
" but why are people so worried about losing Nasri? Why? Just why? He performed well for half of last season and that's it. Nothing less, nothing more. We can easily replace Nasri. Easily. "
I'm not THAT concerned about losing Nasri, it's more of a case of who we are losing him to, either United or Citeh. I don't know if I am the only one but I loved Nasri's performance against United in 2008. I loved how he ripped Citeh apart at CoMS last season. It would just hurt me that much more if he ended up playing for one of them and came back to hurt us.
posted on 30/6/11
If the worst is true, what good manager could come in and make a difference? Whom would you entrust to guarantee our position in the top 4 next season and do you think they'd actually come?
As angry as I am with Wenger and his ideological wage structure and retained faith in clearly mediocre players, ironically there is nobody I'd trust more to get us out of this position than Wenger. I can't see any new appointment doing anything but accelerating a decline in our fortunes.
We still have some wonderfully talented youth players coming through, and Wenger will now have enough money to strengthen the team in all areas.
I understand your frustration and the last thing I wanted to lose was our best players this summer. But there was a deep rooted malaise evident in our squad last season. There were far too many demotivated, lethargic and utterly indifferent performances from our team. If we can arise from the ashes of this summer with a drastically changed squad with a much healthier attitude, then perhaps this might have been just what we needed.
posted on 30/6/11
"Come on Batmanu, we have dealt with much bigger losses than fabregas and Nasri. "
As for this, have we? This may sound controversial but Fabregas in my opinion is more important to us now than Henry was when he left and he has been the biggest loss we have had in my memory of being a Gooner (1994 before somebody says I am a post Wenger fanboy).
posted on 30/6/11
Even if we spend all the money we get from these transfers, which i highly doubt, why would any top player want to come to Arsenal when 2 of our top players are so desperate to leave. The club wage structure needs changing as football has moved on and we have been stagnant for too long.
posted on 30/6/11
"I'm not THAT concerned about losing Nasri, it's more of a case of who we are losing him to, either United or Citeh. I don't know if I am the only one but I loved Nasri's performance against United in 2008. I loved how he ripped Citeh apart at CoMS last season. It would just hurt me that much more if he ended up playing for one of them and came back to hurt us."
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Fair enough then.
Nasri is a talented player, but he's very inconsistent and unreliable. Sure he's had some good games, but he's also had games where he's been invisible. I think he will become a great player if he chooses the right path, but that's a big IF. I can see him ending up like Hleb and Adebayor if he joins City. Btw, I'm 100% certain he won't be joining Man Utd.
posted on 30/6/11
The difference between Fabregas/Nasri leaving and Vieira/Henry leaving is that the latter were already at the peak of their powers. It'll be several years yet before Fabregas and Nasri reach their peaks. And this markes a new low for us insofar as we're losing players at younger ages.
Before we know it, Wilshere and Myaichi will be demanding moves next season.
posted on 30/6/11
I can't believe that after having such a nightmare end to the season we are on the verge of losing Fabregas and Nasri. We should have been looking to strengthen but instead we are headed in the complete opposite direction.
A top4 finish next season would be Wenger's biggest achievement.
posted on 30/6/11
AuHasardBendtner (U3534)
The difference between Fabregas/Nasri leaving and Vieira/Henry leaving is that the latter were already at the peak of their powers. It'll be several years yet before Fabregas and Nasri reach their peaks. And this markes a new low for us insofar as we're losing players at younger ages.
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posted on 30/6/11
"I do however think Samba and Cahill are extremely average and I never thought Wenger would go near either of them. But everybody else seems to think it will happen and most of those people actually think that Samba and Cahill will be good signings! What is going on?!"
Anyways talking about the players you've been linked to, how about Vidal?
Alongside Sahin, has been Bundesliga best midfielder. Has a phenomenal engine, great passing range and statistically won the most tackles in the league, ahead of young impressive defensive midfielder Sven Bender.
I expect this to be a busy transfer season for Arsenal!
posted on 30/6/11
"If the worst is true, what good manager could come in and make a difference? Whom would you entrust to guarantee our position in the top 4 next season and do you think they'd actually come? "
This is the problem, I can't think of anybody who could come in and do a better job. With the financial restrictions at the club, the (possible) problems at board level, the knowledge Wenger has at the club. The only people I could see taking over would be somebody like Steve Bould, Martin Keown, etc, people that know what Arsenal is all about, people that could try freshen the club up a bit, but even they would be massive gambles.
I look at Man United in envy at the moment, not because of the trophies they are winning but the position their squad is in. Their players don't want to leave and everybody wants to join them. They are signing young players (Smalling, Jones, De Gea, etc) that have big futures at the club. We on the other hand are letting young players like Cesc and Nasri goes. Whoever takes over United will have a club in good shape for the future, whereas whoever takes over Arsenal will have one hell of a task on their hand. And considering the respective debts and financial positions of both clubs, we shouldn't be in the position we are in now, but the fact is we are. Who is to blame?
posted on 30/6/11
nice to see a familiar name from bbc 606!. Batmanu brilliant article mate and i agree with everything you have said. It seems like people on bere bite your head off when you criticise arsenal or voice an opinion.
posted on 30/6/11
if cesc and nasri leave this summer, once my shock and deep disappointment and sadness has passed, i'm going to be extremely excited and anxious to see who we sign. there will need to be some big changes made. if there aren't any, then i think it may well signal the end of wenger's reign at this club.
posted on 30/6/11
And who looks like coming in? Gervinho? Cahill? Samba?!?!? Do these players make you feel confident of winning the league? Hell, do they even give you any confidence in finishing 4th? These are the type of players that Spurs usually turn to.
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posted on 30/6/11
I look at Man United in envy at the moment, not because of the trophies they are winning but the position their squad is in. Their players don't want to leave and everybody wants to join them. They are signing young players (Smalling, Jones, De Gea, etc) that have big futures at the club. We on the other hand are letting young players like Cesc and Nasri goes. Whoever takes over United will have a club in good shape for the future, whereas whoever takes over Arsenal will have one hell of a task on their hand. And considering the respective debts and financial positions of both clubs, we shouldn't be in the position we are in now, but the fact is we are. Who is to blame?
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I hate to say it but this is the natural consequence of Wenger's socialistic pay structure that offers as much parity to all players as possible. The best can earn far more elsewhere and the worst are on bumper contracts relative to their ability.
I'm only somewhat envious of United but imo their young players are not exceptionally talented with the exception of De Gea and maybe Jones. Smalling didn't convince me last season, and I think Ferguson rushed into that one. United are in a similar position to us. At the end of the day they cannot compete with the financial flex of Citeh and Chelsea.
Like I said, I was all in favour of a radical overhaul of our squad after last season but I hadn't planned on losing both Cesc and Nasri. Still though, if the overhaul is complete and we succeed in bringing in mentally stronger players, then I won't be too dissappointed. I mean it's probably going to happen so let's just try and make the best of things.
posted on 30/6/11
In all seriousness I totally agree with BatManU. I've heard many people saying we can "replace Cesc easily", "replace Nasri easily" "They've had a good 3 months but been nothing special" etc but sometimes the damage isn't just physical, it's psychological.
If you are Sagna, Waclott or RVP sitting in thew dressing room, not won a trophy for X amount of years, already doubting the manager and direction of the club and two of your best players are leaving, then what motivation is there to do well for next season?
IMO none
The situation is worse simply because these are players in their prime, not players past their peak and in their late 20s/early 30s going to LA Galaxy or to play in Europe for Turkish also-rans.
I can't understand why Wenger or the club would be willing to let them go, but keep Rosicky, Arshavin, Diaby, Bendtener, Vela, Denilson, Squillaci all of whom IMO are surplus to requirements at Arsenal and bar Arshavin (in form) not good enough to play for Arsenal.
There must be something going on behind the scenes, perhaps a tug of war between Kroenke and Usmanov is affecting the club.
posted on 30/6/11
"United are in a similar position to us. At the end of the day they cannot compete with the financial flex of Citeh and Chelsea. "
Similar, but not identical. Unlike us, they are the most successful club in the country and even when they are not the dominant force in England, they will pick up the odd trophy, something we haven't done in a while and if we are being honest, it's something that becomes a major stumbling block when trying to sign players - examples being Jones and Smalling chosing United over ourselves in recent transfer windows.
"Still though, if the overhaul is complete and we succeed in bringing in mentally stronger players, then I won't be too dissappointed. I mean it's probably going to happen so let's just try and make the best of things."
Yes...lets
posted on 30/6/11
Every year one or more of our top player leaves and the deadwood from 4,5 years ago still remains. Now will it be RVP's turn next year?
Realistically would we able to get any top players this summer with our outdated wage structure? I hope i'm wrong but things look very bleak right now.
posted on 30/6/11
If you are Sagna, Waclott or RVP sitting in thew dressing room, not won a trophy for X amount of years, already doubting the manager and direction of the club and two of your best players are leaving, then what motivation is there to do well for next season?
IMO none
The situation is worse simply because these are players in their prime, not players past their peak and in their late 20s/early 30s going to LA Galaxy or to play in Europe for Turkish also-rans.
I can't understand why Wenger or the club would be willing to let them go, but keep Rosicky, Arshavin, Diaby, Bendtener, Vela, Denilson, Squillaci all of whom IMO are surplus to requirements at Arsenal and bar Arshavin (in form) not good enough to play for Arsenal.
There must be something going on behind the scenes, perhaps a tug of war between Kroenke and Usmanov is affecting the club.
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Good post which I almost entirely agree with. But as I keep iterating and reiterating, even in our most impressive form in January/February last year I was never fully...impressed. There's a real attitude problem with the playing personnel at our club, and a radical overhaul was required anyway. The worst thing that could happen now would be for us to keeping the likes of Bendtner/Denilson because we've lost Fabregas and Nasri. If the overhaul is complete and the deadwood removed, and a new calibre of mentally strong players is brought in, then I think we can be reborn anew.
Then again, I'm the eternal optimist when I'm not actually watching us play.
posted on 30/6/11
Similar, but not identical. Unlike us, they are the most successful club in the country and even when they are not the dominant force in England, they will pick up the odd trophy, something we haven't done in a while and if we are being honest, it's something that becomes a major stumbling block when trying to sign players - examples being Jones and Smalling chosing United over ourselves in recent transfer windows.
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With Citeh's and Villas-Boas arrival, I think you'll find United struggling even on that front. In our defence too, we have built a stadium in the last six years which we're still paying back. We rode our luck via other team's misfortunes to stay in the top 4, but we still managed to do it.
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Yes...lets
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Sound off like you got a pair. At the height of our invincible powers, did we have a player like Fabregas in our team? We didn't, and as I say if the overhaul is complete and we return to the meaner more athletic team of the past, then I won't complain.
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