comment by honestlivpool_five_times (U1661) posted 12 hours, 15 minutes ago
United have only had one key player injured this season
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Discussion over for me then
I take it we haven't lost Fletch, Ando, Cleverley Nani Valencia Young Jones Smalling Fabio Rafael Chicharito Rio and Welbeck for various amounts of games.
Jeez, the midfield 4 of Nani Cleverley Anderson and Young that wear tearing apart Arsenal, Bolton and Spurs at the beginning of the season went pair shaped because 3 of those players picked up lengthy injuries
Pretending United haven;t had major injury problems this season is just nuts. It's only over the past few weeks we have been getting players back.
It got so bad over the xmas period we virtually had no fit CBs or CMs. Against Blackburn Carick had to play CB even though we were short in CM and had to play Park and Rafael there
We sit top so no real need to moan about it but forgive me for a retort when someone suggests we have only lost 1 significant player this season
comment by Anfield of Dreams (Suarez is innocent, Britain is corrupt) (U6971) posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by Aggers Right Elbow And His Flat Back Nine Eating Mature Cheddar Since 30-01-2012 Free Arry Redknapp from his Spurs Shackles. (U3402)
posted 23 minutes ago
For me Adam has been the biggest disappointment of all the new signings.
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Indeed
I said at the time he was not even close enough to being good enough to play in CM for a club of Liverpool's stature in the game. Could you have imagined Shanks signing him?
Enrique is a quality player, Hendo and Carrol have bags of potential (Patience required, Carrol didn;t value himself at 35m did he), and Downing is a player I have always liked and he and Young on the flanks for England would always be my choice.
Adam is pants though. Let's face it though, your not going to get a decent CM in his peak years for what Liverpool paid for Adam
Adam is a decent player, one Old Whiskey was interested in. What Adam isn't, is a holding midfielder. There needs to be a balance in midfield and it is up to the manager, more so than the players chosen, to find that balance. Adam was very good in the beginning of the season with Lucas next to him, racking up assists, however with Lucas out and playing next to Gerrard and Henderson, it was never going to work.
Adam is a good squad player and certainly better than the likes of Fletcher, Anderson and Carrick, so for me a good signing for his price, a no brainer.
As it has become widely (finally) accepted that Lucas is a very important player to us, it has further enhanced his reputation by his long term injury. I said consistently over the last few seasons, that when you're coming out from under the shadows of Alonso and Mascherano, then you're going to look pale in comparison. However, when the replacements of those two top class players were (sick note) Aquilani, Poulson and Joe Cole (for sick note!), then Lucas transformed what he'd learnt from those former players into first team consistency, with a tireless work-rate, and became the lynch pin in midfield. I agree he has arguably exceeded Gerrard in importance to our team.
Adam has been a disappointment, and I also agree with the trend in is this thread to slate him. I once thought he'd be the true successor to Alonso, with his range of passing and set-piece ability, but it's quite clear he doesn't share the same footballing brain.
With respect to Blackpool, he showed his quality as the main architect for most things they did well, but at a club with players better than he is, then he needs to do what I thought Alonso did well - which was compliment the more penetrating threats (like Gerrard and Torres). If Adam adapts his game to compliment Suarez, Gerrard and Bellamy, then he may still have a future. As it is, the whole 'winning it by myself by playing a show piece pass or long-range shot' attitude needs to diminish in order for him to become an adequate member of the squad.
On a side note, I see Spearing as being at a similar level to Lucas when Alonso and Mascherano ruled the roost. Still shy of quality, but learning from the more gifted players in Gerrard and Lucas. Give him another season of extended runs, and he'll also become a key player one day. He's only had a few seasons so far to perfect his trade, with many bit-part roles, which echoes Lucas' rise to the top.
Macca:
Discussion over for me then
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Yep, hence no reply!
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721) posted 3 minutes ago
Adam is a decent player, one Old Whiskey was interested in.
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Rubbish
He made a joke about his corner's being worth 10 million, That's it.
If SAF had been interested, he would have bid more than you got him for.
Saying Adam is better than Carrick Fletch and Anderson is actually quite funny. Carrick is first name on the team sheet for a team that sit nearly 30 points ahead of a team that Adam in now a squad player in
Be reasonable for goodness sake
comment by Marked Man (U7698) posted 2 minutes ago
Macca:
Discussion over for me then
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Yep, hence no reply
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LOL I know
I did simply point it that the discussion regarding United only having 1 significant is over and explained why
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721) posted 3 minutes ago
Adam is a decent player, one Old Whiskey was interested in.
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Rubbish
He made a joke about his corner's being worth 10 million, That's it.
If SAF had been interested, he would have bid more than you got him for.
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This just wasn't possible, due to the large debt on the club. Surely you know the situation your club are in, in regards to the transfer market. Fergie has been hinting at it all season.
Yes Carrick plays in a team who are higher in the league table, however this is not to say he is better than a player who plays for a team that sits lower than him. If you were able to take your own advice, "Be reasonable" perhaps you would see this.
Your opinion is that Adam is "pants". My opinion is that he's a very good squad player and better than players who you deem good. Your claim that this is unreasonable, presumes that your opinion is more valid than me. I'll let you draw your own conclusions on that.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721) posted 3 minutes ago
comment by UnitedRedMacca- I taught Rooney and Berbatov t... (U2024)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721) posted 3 minutes ago
Adam is a decent player, one Old Whiskey was interested in.
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Rubbish
He made a joke about his corner's being worth 10 million, That's it.
If SAF had been interested, he would have bid more than you got him for.
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This just wasn't possible, due to the large debt on the club
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We spent 50 million in the summer and enquired about Nasri too. Quit talking nonsense
Yes Carrick plays in a team who are higher in the league table, however this is not to say he is better than a player who plays for a team that sits lower than him. If you were able to take your own advice, "Be reasonable" perhaps you would see this.
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Oh behave
Carrick has by far the better footballing brain. His distribution and intelligent movement is light years ahead of Adam. Paul Scholes recently called Carrick 'United's Rolls Royce'
Adam has no more ability than Park but Park puts a shift in at least.
Adam just kicks people because he simply isn't positionally good enough to make up for his lack of pace. Something else Carrick does far better than him
Carrick is equally good with either foot too.
Carrick also reads the game much better
I could go on and on
Adam is a luxury player that will spend farmore time on the bench from now on and will eventually be moved on. You have far far far better players in CM than Adam. Carrick is first choice at United. It's that simple
Fergie has been hinting at it all season.
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Another made up statement
Show me one quote where he has hinted at that?
Carrick is first name on the team sheet for a team that sit nearly 30 points ahead of a team that Adam in now a squad player in
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A few of seasons ago, Luis Antonio Valencia was playing for a team that was considerably worse off in the league than the team Jermaine Pennant played for.
Carrick is probably better than Adam (he's certainly having a far better season), but this habit of not being able to judge players on their own merits is tiresome.
Personally I think Carrick is much better than Adam, different type of player.
Carrick is more of a poor mans Alonso, he has great vision and can play killer balls, i would have him in the Liverpool team over Adam.
I do think Adam is a good squad player, but next season with Lucas fit he wont get many games.
I wouldn't have Carrick in our first team because Lucas is better in his role, but I'd definitely have him in our squad over Adam, even though they're different types of player (Adam is Aldi-Gerrard).
Carrick gets an awful time from United fans, he had one or two seasons where he was below par, but he's playing well now. He seems to be the fall guy whenever anything goes wrong; if Wayne Rooney scored 3 own goals and got sent off against City to hand them the title, my Facebook news feed would be full of people saying Carrick needs to be sold.
comment by Dr Seven Grater (U13441) posted 23 minutes ago
Carrick is first name on the team sheet for a team that sit nearly 30 points ahead of a team that Adam in now a squad player in
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A few of seasons ago, Luis Antonio Valencia was playing for a team that was considerably worse off in the league than the team Jermaine Pennant played for.
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Valencia was young and had potential back then. Tis why I never joined the Hendo/Carroll bandwagon.
Adam should be at his peak (which he probably is) and he will be behind several of your midfielders in the pecking order
The fact Carrick is first choice in a far better team in a pivotal position does tell a story.
comment by Dr Seven Grater (U13441) posted 13 minutes ago
I wouldn't have Carrick in our first team because Lucas is better in his role, but I'd definitely have him in our squad over Adam, even though they're different types of player (Adam is Aldi-Gerrard).
Carrick gets an awful time from United fans, he had one or two seasons where he was below par, but he's playing well now. He seems to be the fall guy whenever anything goes wrong; if Wayne Rooney scored 3 own goals and got sent off against City to hand them the title, my Facebook news feed would be full of people saying Carrick needs to be sold.
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Couln't agree more
I have to switch of from the Carrick slatering United. 'fans'
Winds me up big time
Dennis Irwin used to get the same in his early days and he's a United legend now
One thing Carrick has that people miss is that he doesn't have to shift it to a particular foot to make a decent pass. He's equally good with both feet
He's scored twice this season from 20 odd yards. One with his left and one with his right
The fact Carrick is first choice in a far better team in a pivotal position does tell a story.
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It doesn't tell much of a story; even when he was in a wretched vein of form he was playing fairly regularly because United weren't very strong in that particular area.
I can just as easily turn it round and say that I wouldn't dream of dropping Lucas for Carrick, despite Carrick being a first choice player in a team that is 20-odd points better off thzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
UnitedRedMacca- I taught Rooney and Berbatov the overhead kick (U2024)
Carrick's covering is pretty impressive too - I think he was there or thereabouts at the top of the Champions League interceptions table last season.
For me Carrick is a very limited footballer and that is why he does not play for England.
Can't tackle well enough, has never scored enough goals and goes missing in big games.
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374) posted 1 minute ago
For me Carrick is a very limited footballer and that is why he does not play for England.
Can't tackle well enough, has never scored enough goals and goes missing in big games
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Oh dear
Carrick doesn't get into positions to score goals because he is told not too by SAF
Didn't you hear SAF joke about the fact he was going to fine him for being too far forward when he scored this season?
If you say he doesn't score enough, then you do not understand the role he plays
He's and excellent tackler and more often than not he doesn't have to tackle because his positioning is that good. See Graters post above.
Goes missing in big games? Do me a favour. He more often than not sits at the top when it comes to ground covered and passing stats.
No.
He has never scored enough goals. Ever. In his whole career and he played a lot in a midfield two.
His tackling is exceptionally average.
The big games I've seen him in against us and Barca he has been missing. Terrible in Europe this year.
He has been better in the tackle this year and has improved in general but one season does not make a career.
At the end of the day he does not play for England for a reason.
Can't head a ball either.
Utd signed the wrong people in the transfer window. If they are having that many injuries they need to buy a new fitness coach.
comment by T Bone Steak Roysters (U3947) posted 47 seconds ago
Utd signed the wrong people in the transfer window. If they are having that many injuries they need to buy a new fitness coach.
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Dunno about that. They're top of the league!
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374) posted 2 minutes ago
comment by T Bone Steak Roysters (U3947) posted 47 seconds ago
Utd signed the wrong people in the transfer window. If they are having that many injuries they need to buy a new fitness coach.
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Dunno about that. They're top of the league!
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Carrick has been pivotal in that for us
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posted on 20/3/12
comment by honestlivpool_five_times (U1661) posted 12 hours, 15 minutes ago
United have only had one key player injured this season
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Discussion over for me then
I take it we haven't lost Fletch, Ando, Cleverley Nani Valencia Young Jones Smalling Fabio Rafael Chicharito Rio and Welbeck for various amounts of games.
Jeez, the midfield 4 of Nani Cleverley Anderson and Young that wear tearing apart Arsenal, Bolton and Spurs at the beginning of the season went pair shaped because 3 of those players picked up lengthy injuries
Pretending United haven;t had major injury problems this season is just nuts. It's only over the past few weeks we have been getting players back.
It got so bad over the xmas period we virtually had no fit CBs or CMs. Against Blackburn Carick had to play CB even though we were short in CM and had to play Park and Rafael there
We sit top so no real need to moan about it but forgive me for a retort when someone suggests we have only lost 1 significant player this season
posted on 20/3/12
comment by Anfield of Dreams (Suarez is innocent, Britain is corrupt) (U6971) posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by Aggers Right Elbow And His Flat Back Nine Eating Mature Cheddar Since 30-01-2012 Free Arry Redknapp from his Spurs Shackles. (U3402)
posted 23 minutes ago
For me Adam has been the biggest disappointment of all the new signings.
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Indeed
I said at the time he was not even close enough to being good enough to play in CM for a club of Liverpool's stature in the game. Could you have imagined Shanks signing him?
Enrique is a quality player, Hendo and Carrol have bags of potential (Patience required, Carrol didn;t value himself at 35m did he), and Downing is a player I have always liked and he and Young on the flanks for England would always be my choice.
Adam is pants though. Let's face it though, your not going to get a decent CM in his peak years for what Liverpool paid for Adam
posted on 20/3/12
Adam is a decent player, one Old Whiskey was interested in. What Adam isn't, is a holding midfielder. There needs to be a balance in midfield and it is up to the manager, more so than the players chosen, to find that balance. Adam was very good in the beginning of the season with Lucas next to him, racking up assists, however with Lucas out and playing next to Gerrard and Henderson, it was never going to work.
Adam is a good squad player and certainly better than the likes of Fletcher, Anderson and Carrick, so for me a good signing for his price, a no brainer.
posted on 20/3/12
As it has become widely (finally) accepted that Lucas is a very important player to us, it has further enhanced his reputation by his long term injury. I said consistently over the last few seasons, that when you're coming out from under the shadows of Alonso and Mascherano, then you're going to look pale in comparison. However, when the replacements of those two top class players were (sick note) Aquilani, Poulson and Joe Cole (for sick note!), then Lucas transformed what he'd learnt from those former players into first team consistency, with a tireless work-rate, and became the lynch pin in midfield. I agree he has arguably exceeded Gerrard in importance to our team.
Adam has been a disappointment, and I also agree with the trend in is this thread to slate him. I once thought he'd be the true successor to Alonso, with his range of passing and set-piece ability, but it's quite clear he doesn't share the same footballing brain.
With respect to Blackpool, he showed his quality as the main architect for most things they did well, but at a club with players better than he is, then he needs to do what I thought Alonso did well - which was compliment the more penetrating threats (like Gerrard and Torres). If Adam adapts his game to compliment Suarez, Gerrard and Bellamy, then he may still have a future. As it is, the whole 'winning it by myself by playing a show piece pass or long-range shot' attitude needs to diminish in order for him to become an adequate member of the squad.
On a side note, I see Spearing as being at a similar level to Lucas when Alonso and Mascherano ruled the roost. Still shy of quality, but learning from the more gifted players in Gerrard and Lucas. Give him another season of extended runs, and he'll also become a key player one day. He's only had a few seasons so far to perfect his trade, with many bit-part roles, which echoes Lucas' rise to the top.
posted on 20/3/12
Macca:
Discussion over for me then
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Yep, hence no reply!
posted on 20/3/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721) posted 3 minutes ago
Adam is a decent player, one Old Whiskey was interested in.
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Rubbish
He made a joke about his corner's being worth 10 million, That's it.
If SAF had been interested, he would have bid more than you got him for.
Saying Adam is better than Carrick Fletch and Anderson is actually quite funny. Carrick is first name on the team sheet for a team that sit nearly 30 points ahead of a team that Adam in now a squad player in
Be reasonable for goodness sake
posted on 20/3/12
comment by Marked Man (U7698) posted 2 minutes ago
Macca:
Discussion over for me then
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Yep, hence no reply
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LOL I know
I did simply point it that the discussion regarding United only having 1 significant is over and explained why
posted on 20/3/12
comment by UnitedRedMacca- I taught Rooney and Berbatov t... (U2024)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721) posted 3 minutes ago
Adam is a decent player, one Old Whiskey was interested in.
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Rubbish
He made a joke about his corner's being worth 10 million, That's it.
If SAF had been interested, he would have bid more than you got him for.
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This just wasn't possible, due to the large debt on the club. Surely you know the situation your club are in, in regards to the transfer market. Fergie has been hinting at it all season.
Yes Carrick plays in a team who are higher in the league table, however this is not to say he is better than a player who plays for a team that sits lower than him. If you were able to take your own advice, "Be reasonable" perhaps you would see this.
Your opinion is that Adam is "pants". My opinion is that he's a very good squad player and better than players who you deem good. Your claim that this is unreasonable, presumes that your opinion is more valid than me. I'll let you draw your own conclusions on that.
posted on 20/3/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721) posted 3 minutes ago
comment by UnitedRedMacca- I taught Rooney and Berbatov t... (U2024)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721) posted 3 minutes ago
Adam is a decent player, one Old Whiskey was interested in.
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Rubbish
He made a joke about his corner's being worth 10 million, That's it.
If SAF had been interested, he would have bid more than you got him for.
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This just wasn't possible, due to the large debt on the club
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We spent 50 million in the summer and enquired about Nasri too. Quit talking nonsense
posted on 20/3/12
Yes Carrick plays in a team who are higher in the league table, however this is not to say he is better than a player who plays for a team that sits lower than him. If you were able to take your own advice, "Be reasonable" perhaps you would see this.
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Oh behave
Carrick has by far the better footballing brain. His distribution and intelligent movement is light years ahead of Adam. Paul Scholes recently called Carrick 'United's Rolls Royce'
Adam has no more ability than Park but Park puts a shift in at least.
Adam just kicks people because he simply isn't positionally good enough to make up for his lack of pace. Something else Carrick does far better than him
Carrick is equally good with either foot too.
Carrick also reads the game much better
I could go on and on
Adam is a luxury player that will spend farmore time on the bench from now on and will eventually be moved on. You have far far far better players in CM than Adam. Carrick is first choice at United. It's that simple
posted on 20/3/12
Fergie has been hinting at it all season.
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Another made up statement
Show me one quote where he has hinted at that?
posted on 20/3/12
Carrick is first name on the team sheet for a team that sit nearly 30 points ahead of a team that Adam in now a squad player in
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A few of seasons ago, Luis Antonio Valencia was playing for a team that was considerably worse off in the league than the team Jermaine Pennant played for.
Carrick is probably better than Adam (he's certainly having a far better season), but this habit of not being able to judge players on their own merits is tiresome.
posted on 20/3/12
Personally I think Carrick is much better than Adam, different type of player.
Carrick is more of a poor mans Alonso, he has great vision and can play killer balls, i would have him in the Liverpool team over Adam.
I do think Adam is a good squad player, but next season with Lucas fit he wont get many games.
posted on 20/3/12
I wouldn't have Carrick in our first team because Lucas is better in his role, but I'd definitely have him in our squad over Adam, even though they're different types of player (Adam is Aldi-Gerrard).
Carrick gets an awful time from United fans, he had one or two seasons where he was below par, but he's playing well now. He seems to be the fall guy whenever anything goes wrong; if Wayne Rooney scored 3 own goals and got sent off against City to hand them the title, my Facebook news feed would be full of people saying Carrick needs to be sold.
posted on 20/3/12
comment by Dr Seven Grater (U13441) posted 23 minutes ago
Carrick is first name on the team sheet for a team that sit nearly 30 points ahead of a team that Adam in now a squad player in
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A few of seasons ago, Luis Antonio Valencia was playing for a team that was considerably worse off in the league than the team Jermaine Pennant played for.
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Valencia was young and had potential back then. Tis why I never joined the Hendo/Carroll bandwagon.
Adam should be at his peak (which he probably is) and he will be behind several of your midfielders in the pecking order
The fact Carrick is first choice in a far better team in a pivotal position does tell a story.
posted on 20/3/12
comment by Dr Seven Grater (U13441) posted 13 minutes ago
I wouldn't have Carrick in our first team because Lucas is better in his role, but I'd definitely have him in our squad over Adam, even though they're different types of player (Adam is Aldi-Gerrard).
Carrick gets an awful time from United fans, he had one or two seasons where he was below par, but he's playing well now. He seems to be the fall guy whenever anything goes wrong; if Wayne Rooney scored 3 own goals and got sent off against City to hand them the title, my Facebook news feed would be full of people saying Carrick needs to be sold.
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Couln't agree more
I have to switch of from the Carrick slatering United. 'fans'
Winds me up big time
Dennis Irwin used to get the same in his early days and he's a United legend now
One thing Carrick has that people miss is that he doesn't have to shift it to a particular foot to make a decent pass. He's equally good with both feet
He's scored twice this season from 20 odd yards. One with his left and one with his right
posted on 20/3/12
The fact Carrick is first choice in a far better team in a pivotal position does tell a story.
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It doesn't tell much of a story; even when he was in a wretched vein of form he was playing fairly regularly because United weren't very strong in that particular area.
I can just as easily turn it round and say that I wouldn't dream of dropping Lucas for Carrick, despite Carrick being a first choice player in a team that is 20-odd points better off thzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
posted on 20/3/12
UnitedRedMacca- I taught Rooney and Berbatov the overhead kick (U2024)
Carrick's covering is pretty impressive too - I think he was there or thereabouts at the top of the Champions League interceptions table last season.
posted on 20/3/12
For me Carrick is a very limited footballer and that is why he does not play for England.
Can't tackle well enough, has never scored enough goals and goes missing in big games.
posted on 20/3/12
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374) posted 1 minute ago
For me Carrick is a very limited footballer and that is why he does not play for England.
Can't tackle well enough, has never scored enough goals and goes missing in big games
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Oh dear
Carrick doesn't get into positions to score goals because he is told not too by SAF
Didn't you hear SAF joke about the fact he was going to fine him for being too far forward when he scored this season?
If you say he doesn't score enough, then you do not understand the role he plays
He's and excellent tackler and more often than not he doesn't have to tackle because his positioning is that good. See Graters post above.
Goes missing in big games? Do me a favour. He more often than not sits at the top when it comes to ground covered and passing stats.
posted on 20/3/12
No.
He has never scored enough goals. Ever. In his whole career and he played a lot in a midfield two.
His tackling is exceptionally average.
The big games I've seen him in against us and Barca he has been missing. Terrible in Europe this year.
He has been better in the tackle this year and has improved in general but one season does not make a career.
At the end of the day he does not play for England for a reason.
posted on 20/3/12
Can't head a ball either.
posted on 20/3/12
Utd signed the wrong people in the transfer window. If they are having that many injuries they need to buy a new fitness coach.
posted on 20/3/12
comment by T Bone Steak Roysters (U3947) posted 47 seconds ago
Utd signed the wrong people in the transfer window. If they are having that many injuries they need to buy a new fitness coach.
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Dunno about that. They're top of the league!
posted on 20/3/12
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374) posted 2 minutes ago
comment by T Bone Steak Roysters (U3947) posted 47 seconds ago
Utd signed the wrong people in the transfer window. If they are having that many injuries they need to buy a new fitness coach.
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Dunno about that. They're top of the league!
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Carrick has been pivotal in that for us
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