Yeah, he needs to fack off. Disgusting, and he can take Zak Brown to hell with him as well.

Red Bull paid a lawyer to investigate a matter to do with a senior Red Bull employee.

Horner may well be innocent but if Red Bull aren’t prepared to be transparent with their investigation then suspension will arise.

comment by Erik Sean (U22339)
posted 5 minutes ago
Red Bull paid a lawyer to investigate a matter to do with a senior Red Bull employee.

Horner may well be innocent but if Red Bull aren’t prepared to be transparent with their investigation then suspension will arise.
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Nonsense. OP is right, when are these details shared when it is an internal matter? Believe me Red Bull dont want any scandal here, so I believe them when they say Horner is innocent. And if the girl thinks she has a case she can take it public. But HR cannot share details for obvious reasons.

How would you feel if you were accused at work, and HR published all details? And the alleged victim?

People need to climb down off their horse.

If I was innocent of a serious allegation made against me I would want everyone i worked with knowing I was cleared with the evidence to back it up.

For comparison, it would be like Manchester City hiring their own lawyer who went on say they were completely innocent of the 115 charges made against them and there was nothing more to see.


I know you’re very pro RB & Max but let’s be serious, you can’t have a pupil marking their own homework

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posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Erik Sean (U22339)
posted 5 minutes ago
Red Bull paid a lawyer to investigate a matter to do with a senior Red Bull employee.

Horner may well be innocent but if Red Bull aren’t prepared to be transparent with their investigation then suspension will arise.
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Nonsense. OP is right, when are these details shared when it is an internal matter? Believe me Red Bull dont want any scandal here, so I believe them when they say Horner is innocent. And if the girl thinks she has a case she can take it public. But HR cannot share details for obvious reasons.

How would you feel if you were accused at work, and HR published all details? And the alleged victim?

People need to climb down off their horse.
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If the image of an international sport depends on it then I would be resigned to it being published.

I lead a private life and it serves no purpose to reveal things about me apart from embarrassing me. People who live public lives must also live with the consequences thereof.

IMO the motivations of Mercedes and McLaren are not pure in pushing this issue, but still, an independent investigator must look into the issue and the police must investigate too.

The sport employs 100s of females. Listening to comments on podcasts by SkySports & BBC and you’ll hear the female contingent incredibly concerned about the way Red Bull have carried out their investigation.

comment by Erik Sean (U22339)
posted 35 minutes ago
The sport employs 100s of females. Listening to comments on podcasts by SkySports & BBC and you’ll hear the female contingent incredibly concerned about the way Red Bull have carried out their investigation.

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How would you have liked them to carry it out?
Or, if you were a woman, how would you have liked them to carry it out?
What did they do wrong in the investigation would you say?

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comment by Erik Sean (U22339)
posted 35 minutes ago
The sport employs 100s of females. Listening to comments on podcasts by SkySports & BBC and you’ll hear the female contingent incredibly concerned about the way Red Bull have carried out their investigation.

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How would you have liked them to carry it out?
Or, if you were a woman, how would you have liked them to carry it out?
What did they do wrong in the investigation would you say?
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We don’t know and that is where the issue of transparency comes into question.

Red Bull currently are refusing to release their findings to F1 and are hoping to get away with “it’s an internal matter and we dealt with it”.
It’s that lack of transparency that’s made things so uneasy for rival teams and women in general.

made things uneasy for women in general??????

are women in general living in fear that christian horner's going to start messaging them then?

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"Red Bull currently are refusing to release their findings to F1 and are hoping to get away with “it’s an internal matter and we dealt with it”.
It’s that lack of transparency that’s made things so uneasy for rival teams and women in general."

For me this is woke bull$hit

Please explain to my how this is not an internal matter

Also please explain to me how Horner being accused of this, and being cleared through an independent investigation, has implications for women in general in the sport?

Red Bull GMBH carried out this investigation, not Red Bull F1 team...they are a global brand with a reputation to think about, and the last thing they would want to do is damage that brand just to protect Horner.

It should also be said that since Deitrich Mateschitz passed, its been rumoured that many in Red Bull want to see Horner gone, and for the team to base itself in Austria....putting Horner to the sword via this investigation would have been a very quick an easy way for them to get rid of him....they haven't done that, which would suggest there's not much there for them to take any action on.

If women should be worried about anything in F1, it should be the misogynistic nature through which Toto and Susie Wolff's marriage was deemed as conflict of interest. They basically accused Susie of being unable to keep her mouth shut, and an investigation was nearly carried out on the back of speculation at best.

Toto now wants that same organization that he and his wife slated to death in December, to be held up as some sort of pillar of morality and transparency when it comes to the Horner investigation.

As said...woke bull$hit

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Stevie… can you define woke?

I tell you what… I’m going to change my mind on this and call it out as woke BS

Forget what the actual females within the industry are saying, I am going to agree with Stevie from JA606

comment by Erik Sean (U22339)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
I tell you what… I’m going to change my mind on this and call it out as woke BS

Forget what the actual females within the industry are saying, I am going to agree with Stevie from JA606
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Are you going to share specifically what concerns you have heard from "the acual females within the industry"?

In what way are the females in the industry concerned?

what would they have liked Red Bull to have done that it did not do?

If you look at the comments made from various people and read the runes, it seems pretty clear that there's a far few who believe he's guilty and have no faith in the process.

I haven't seen the messages from the leak but it seems that someone is pretty determined to provide transparency whether RB like it or not.

I'd like to hear a reason why this isn't just an internal matter...it clearly is

An investigation has been held and an outcome reached
The complainant has the right to appeal the decision, things could go further if that indeed happens

All this calling for transparency....all this is, is folk wanting Horner to be judged in the court of public opinion, nothing more

Not everything has to be dealt with in that way....and that's why I say it's woke bull$hit

If people don't trust companies to do the right thing at times like this...at all...that in itself is an issue

A process is being followed here, the complainant is being given anonymity for a reason, it should stay that way unless they decide to go public with it all, for their own reasons.

It should not go public simply because folk want to hear all the gory details and want to make judgements on everything themselves...that does not need to happen

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posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Erik Sean (U22339)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
I tell you what… I’m going to change my mind on this and call it out as woke BS

Forget what the actual females within the industry are saying, I am going to agree with Stevie from JA606
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Are you going to share specifically what concerns you have heard from "the acual females within the industry"?

In what way are the females in the industry concerned?

what would they have liked Red Bull to have done that it did not do?
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I recommend you listen to the BBC’s F1 podcast as well as SkySportsF1

How can such allegations be purely an internal matter? Are you on drugs?

Having said that the complainant should report to police and follow up with them to give them jurisdictions over the matter.

comment by Nø Løve (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
How can such allegations be purely an internal matter? Are you on drugs?

Having said that the complainant should report to police and follow up with them to give them jurisdictions over the matter.
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Exactly

If what has happened was that serious, the police would have been involved before now

Neither Red Bull or the complainant have went that far...would suggest not much has taken place, therefore, it's an internal, HR matter which should be dealt with in confidence, like most workplaces would do, just cause Horner is in the public eye shouldn't make any difference

"How can such allegations be purely an internal matter? Are you on drugs"

What are the allegations?
Do you even know what he's been accused of..no, you don't, you are just assuming it's a helluva lot worse than it is being made out to be

If there is little to nothing there, it doesn't need to be dragged out and poured over in public

You don't know the allegations either so how have you concluded that it's an internal matter?

It seems possible the allegations are to do with inappropriateness or some sort of sexual harassment or something similar. If so, then it's not an internal matter.

"You don't know the allegations either so how have you concluded that it's an internal matter?"

It's an internal matter until it becomes otherwise...it's how these things work

I trust the process.....you dont

I have absolutely no idea what Red Bull would have to gain by keeping a guy, who's in the public eye, in his position if there is evidence of inappropriate behaviour or sexual harassment

Any modern day company would want absolutely nothing to do with such things, and would be looking to distance themselves from such things at the drop of a hat....they haven't done that, so it would suggest not much has happened, it's been deemed there's not even enough to suspend him pending further investigation, let alone fire him