The myth about pens at Old Trafford

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

This is a fair comment and in my opinion true. However, all decisions that went against United seemed to come after the initial decision which changed the game.
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Some of them do, some of them don't. The pens that we should have had against Wigan for example. Or the penalty decision against Newcastle.
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In fairness I didn't see the Wigan game, so can't comment. Although I did read Fergie blaming the referee again. I thought nothing of it, as he normally does that when United lose anyhow. I guess I'll have to try find some highlights of the game, to see these refereeing mistakes.

Anyhow, once again, I'll repeat, I haven't said United don't get decisions against them.

comment by filters=wimps (U11635)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

This is a fair comment and in my opinion true.

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do you think its a fair or true comment to say that Young dives in nearly every game...
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Both.

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
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comment by filters=wimps (U11635)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

This is a fair comment and in my opinion true.

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do you think its a fair or true comment to say that Young dives in nearly every game...
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Actually that is not strictly true. He dives a lot but not nearly every game, however he goes down easily nearly every game, much like Suarez.

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

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comment by filters=wimps (U11635)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

This is a fair comment and in my opinion true.

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do you think its a fair or true comment to say that Young dives in nearly every game...
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so apart from the Wigan game which you didnt see I take it you have watched all of Youngs games...

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

In fairness I didn't see the Wigan game, so can't comment. Although I did read Fergie blaming the referee again. I thought nothing of it, as he normally does that when United lose anyhow. I guess I'll have to try find some highlights of the game, to see these refereeing mistakes.

Anyhow, once again, I'll repeat, I haven't said United don't get decisions against them.
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Fergie mentions the ref when we have had bad decisions go against us - as do the vast majority of manager. Then the press made a big deal of it because it is United and SAF. Then opposition fans read it and start making a big deal about, irrespective of the fact that we is actually right. And of course, they ignore the fact that SAF clearly stated that Wigan were the better team. SAF nearly always gives the other team credit when they have been better than us. But people conveniently ignore that because it doesnt fit in with their agenda.

And I know that you never said we dont get decisions again us. Just that we seem to get them at important times. Well, Wigan got one at an important time against us from a corner that shouldnt have been. Then we didnt get two penalties that we should have when losing - another important time. So I don't really get your point. All teams get decisions go for and against them - sometimes at important times in the game, sometimes when the game is already won.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

In fairness I didn't see the Wigan game, so can't comment. Although I did read Fergie blaming the referee again. I thought nothing of it, as he normally does that when United lose anyhow. I guess I'll have to try find some highlights of the game, to see these refereeing mistakes.

Anyhow, once again, I'll repeat, I haven't said United don't get decisions against them.
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Fergie mentions the ref when we have had bad decisions go against us - as do the vast majority of manager.
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I usually put it down to Fergie mentioning the ref when United lose but I suppose it's fair to say the potential of losing is higher when you have a bad decision against you and therefore he mentions the ref when there's been a bad decision against you.

TOOR

Here are some Fergie comments after the Wigan game:

"Wigan were the better team," said Ferguson, as his side had an eight-match winning run brought to an end, suffering their first defeat since January in the process. "They are very under-rated team and we were completely dominated in the first half. "We were second to every ball and only had one shot at goal. It was one of these off nights you get."


Yet the vast majority of headlines are about him saying the ref made mistakes - which he did. As a result opposition fans think that he never gives teams that beat us any credit. The truth is that he nearly always gives them the credit they deserve.

Elvis – I agree to a point here.
Ferguson’s comments will always be used by reporters trying to get a story out of them – so he can be misrepresented in the media. In that if he praises a ref for 9 minutes then adds at the end “he got that one wrong” – some reporters will skip the boring bit for the headline tag of “Fergie attacks FA!”

Also if Joe Blow managing Nobody Town says “the ref isn’t good enough” he won’t get punished as much as Fergie a more high profile manager – and as Fergie is one of the most high profile – certainly the highest profile over such a long period – even though the two managers could say exactly the same thing. This is simply because Fergie has much more attention – and as such has a greater chance of bringing the game into disrepute. The media attention he gets from being at United, and being so successful, gives Fergie a great deal of responsibility to act and behave in a certain way.
In Scotland we see it with the Old Firm - because the media attention is that much greater than elsewhere in the SPL the conduct of the managers and players is under a lot more scrutiny.
Do big club’s want this? Well if it is this media attention that brings them the sponsorship deals and the ability to finance the club and pay the wages then maybe most clubs would say yes – it is better to have the attention and the sponsorship and deal with the responsibility that comes with that, than it is to have no responsibility and be able to criticise referees left right and centre but have no media attention or sponsorship.

As for Fergie’s comments – I think he does credit other teams as much as other managers, although I think in all fairness a great number of times this credit is ignored because he also puts comments in about the referee. Is that his fault… maybe not – the reporters will ask questions about the referee so he has to answer, but at the same time he is not stupid… he knows full well a comment about the referee will have an effect. If he wanted to give credit to the opposition he could side track ref questions.
“Did the ref ruin the game?”
“We lost today because we weren’t good enough ,not because of the ref…”

Something like that would be far better.
Fergie has been in the game a long long time – he knows what he is doing when it comes to handling the press – I think he is smart enough to know what will get printed from what he says. Maybe I give him too much credit – I don’t know.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 51 minutes ago
TOOR

Here are some Fergie comments after the Wigan game:

"Wigan were the better team," said Ferguson, as his side had an eight-match winning run brought to an end, suffering their first defeat since January in the process. "They are very under-rated team and we were completely dominated in the first half. "We were second to every ball and only had one shot at goal. It was one of these off nights you get."


Yet the vast majority of headlines are about him saying the ref made mistakes - which he did. As a result opposition fans think that he never gives teams that beat us any credit. The truth is that he nearly always gives them the credit they deserve.
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I knew about his full quote. In fact Iclicked on it when I read a headline something along the lines of "We didn't deserve anything from the game" - Fergie, on the BBC site. I then read about him slating the referee. I didn;t see the game so I can't comment on whether it was justified or not.

TOOR, Wigan playing were gonig down like they'd been shot, we should of had a penalty, Wigan's first goal should have been given (imo), and the corner resulting in Wigan's goal was just laughable.

If nobody else is going to critisize the ref, I'm Fergy is to be honest.