You guys are sloppy defenders
The Telegraph have been making a few bitter articles about the decision yesterday, surprised they made this article that defends United a little. I'll read it now, thank you.
This doesn't even mean anything surely. It could just be a skewed stat that means that Chelsea commit the least fouls - nothing to do with whether or not the ref judges that a foul is a penalty or not.
I think there is universal agreement that away sides get a rough deal when playing at Old Trafford.
These kind of stats are seriously limited. The penalties given at Old Trafford may be stone wallers, or they may be given in games where the home team is winning 5-0 so there is no pressure on the referee.
There may be 9 penalties given but another 50 which have been turned down.
Equally the ones given at Chelsea may be hugely questionable ones.
The stats do not give a true reflection of the argument given about referees at Old Trafford. It is interesting though.
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jeez. some people just really won't let it go even when confronted with irrefutable evidence to the contrary. it's beyond pathetic.
I think the point MrMortimer was making is that it is far from "irrefutable evidence"; the context of these decisions is equally as important, if not more, than the simple yes/no awarding of the penalty.
Lets forget the fact that John Terry likes to play as GK on a regular basis....
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comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
The stats don't lie
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Is that you Shakira?
"These kind of stats are seriously limited."
So all we're left with is a vague feeling that it must be hard to get a pen at Old Trafford with nothing to back it up then?
When a team visits United they generally don't see that much of the ball, so when they do get it and the ref makes an error it's highlighted as a turning point or, childishly, an example of bias. When a ref's having a mare and doesn't give United decisions it's not highlighted (as we've generally made amends for it so it doesn't have that much of an impact on the result).
Any fan of any club in any division of any league in the world has probably moaned about a ref's home bias - how are United a special case anyway?
oh please. so now that one myth is exposed you want to start another one? a penalty is a penalty and if you're thinking this deeply into something which doesn't even concern the club you pupport to follow then you really need to get laid.
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comment by ole_1999 (U13262)
posted 3 minutes ago
jeez. some people just really won't let it go even when confronted with irrefutable evidence to the contrary. it's beyond pathetic.
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By no means irrefutable, it makes no mention of penalties that were incorrectly not awarded at Old Trafford, only those that have been additionally.
The article also makes no mention of the bizarre decisions United recieve in their favour regarding red cards, goals allowed/disallowed etc etc irrelevant of penalty decisions.
"a penalty is a penalty and if you're thinking this deeply into something which doesn't even concern the club you pupport to follow then you really need to get laid."
You're a peach, aren't you?
Again, you are completely missing the point. A penalty is not a penalty, as is the main issue! For example, Murphy was fouled in the area yesterday, therefore a penalty was not a penalty in that regard.
I am not saying that United get it more than anyone else, I don't really care about that, but it's about using your brain and looking at it a bit more broadly at the grey areas than black and white alone.
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So all the people claiming that Old Trafford is the hardest place to get penalties can't really say that as they've not seen every incident in every match from every teams premier league games.
comment by Establishment under siege - Yesterday my troubles seemed so far away (U6056)
The article also makes no mention of the bizarre decisions United recieve in their favour regarding red cards, goals allowed/disallowed etc etc irrelevant of penalty decisions.
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No, but previous articles have mentioned these things. Guess what? United have never come out on top of any of them. It is just a media driven bias that people buy into because they are jealeous and too stupid to do their own thinking.
The article also makes no mention of the bizarre decisions United recieve in their favour regarding red cards, goals allowed/disallowed etc etc irrelevant of penalty decisions.
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And while demanding context for a stat about penalties for away teams at Old Trafford you offer none for this pile of nonsense.
I think we all agree that last night was a pen, it wasn't given. I think we all agree that Spurs 'goal' that Carroll scooped out was over the line, but wasn't given. Both incorrect decisions, hardly what you'd call bizarre though unless you're nursing some serious grudge there buddy.
By no means irrefutable
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Yes it is.
establishment under siege - qpr had a goal which clearly crossed the line at bolton just two weeks ago, so why you're still harping on about something that happened over seven years ago only you know.
supergoon - blackburn were denied a stone wall penalty at the reebok on saturday.
there you have it. in their last two games bolton wanderers have got away with some scandalous decisions, yet have received no outrage from the media. and that's the bottom line here. it's only when manchester untied benefit from a perceived 'dodgy decision' that the media make a point out of it and virgins such as yourself regurgitate these myths.
comment by Establishment under siege - Yesterday my troubles seemed so far away (U6056)
Mendes
Nani
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Nothing bizarre about the Mendes one. Balls cross the line all of time and the refs/assistants dont spot it. It was an awful decision, but not bizarre. I think that the goal that Mark Hughes scored a few years back was much more bizarre, where it actually hit the advertising boarding and came back out. It wasnt given.
As for the Nani goal, that was Gomes fault. Nothing to do with the ref.
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posted on 27/3/12
You guys are sloppy defenders
posted on 27/3/12
The Telegraph have been making a few bitter articles about the decision yesterday, surprised they made this article that defends United a little. I'll read it now, thank you.
posted on 27/3/12
This doesn't even mean anything surely. It could just be a skewed stat that means that Chelsea commit the least fouls - nothing to do with whether or not the ref judges that a foul is a penalty or not.
posted on 27/3/12
I think there is universal agreement that away sides get a rough deal when playing at Old Trafford.
posted on 27/3/12
These kind of stats are seriously limited. The penalties given at Old Trafford may be stone wallers, or they may be given in games where the home team is winning 5-0 so there is no pressure on the referee.
There may be 9 penalties given but another 50 which have been turned down.
Equally the ones given at Chelsea may be hugely questionable ones.
The stats do not give a true reflection of the argument given about referees at Old Trafford. It is interesting though.
posted on 27/3/12
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posted on 27/3/12
jeez. some people just really won't let it go even when confronted with irrefutable evidence to the contrary. it's beyond pathetic.
posted on 27/3/12
I think the point MrMortimer was making is that it is far from "irrefutable evidence"; the context of these decisions is equally as important, if not more, than the simple yes/no awarding of the penalty.
posted on 27/3/12
The stats don't lie
posted on 27/3/12
Lets forget the fact that John Terry likes to play as GK on a regular basis....
posted on 27/3/12
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posted on 27/3/12
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
The stats don't lie
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Is that you Shakira?
posted on 27/3/12
"These kind of stats are seriously limited."
So all we're left with is a vague feeling that it must be hard to get a pen at Old Trafford with nothing to back it up then?
When a team visits United they generally don't see that much of the ball, so when they do get it and the ref makes an error it's highlighted as a turning point or, childishly, an example of bias. When a ref's having a mare and doesn't give United decisions it's not highlighted (as we've generally made amends for it so it doesn't have that much of an impact on the result).
Any fan of any club in any division of any league in the world has probably moaned about a ref's home bias - how are United a special case anyway?
posted on 27/3/12
oh please. so now that one myth is exposed you want to start another one? a penalty is a penalty and if you're thinking this deeply into something which doesn't even concern the club you pupport to follow then you really need to get laid.
posted on 27/3/12
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posted on 27/3/12
comment by ole_1999 (U13262)
posted 3 minutes ago
jeez. some people just really won't let it go even when confronted with irrefutable evidence to the contrary. it's beyond pathetic.
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By no means irrefutable, it makes no mention of penalties that were incorrectly not awarded at Old Trafford, only those that have been additionally.
The article also makes no mention of the bizarre decisions United recieve in their favour regarding red cards, goals allowed/disallowed etc etc irrelevant of penalty decisions.
posted on 27/3/12
"a penalty is a penalty and if you're thinking this deeply into something which doesn't even concern the club you pupport to follow then you really need to get laid."
You're a peach, aren't you?
Again, you are completely missing the point. A penalty is not a penalty, as is the main issue! For example, Murphy was fouled in the area yesterday, therefore a penalty was not a penalty in that regard.
I am not saying that United get it more than anyone else, I don't really care about that, but it's about using your brain and looking at it a bit more broadly at the grey areas than black and white alone.
posted on 27/3/12
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posted on 27/3/12
So all the people claiming that Old Trafford is the hardest place to get penalties can't really say that as they've not seen every incident in every match from every teams premier league games.
posted on 27/3/12
comment by Establishment under siege - Yesterday my troubles seemed so far away (U6056)
The article also makes no mention of the bizarre decisions United recieve in their favour regarding red cards, goals allowed/disallowed etc etc irrelevant of penalty decisions.
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No, but previous articles have mentioned these things. Guess what? United have never come out on top of any of them. It is just a media driven bias that people buy into because they are jealeous and too stupid to do their own thinking.
posted on 27/3/12
The article also makes no mention of the bizarre decisions United recieve in their favour regarding red cards, goals allowed/disallowed etc etc irrelevant of penalty decisions.
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And while demanding context for a stat about penalties for away teams at Old Trafford you offer none for this pile of nonsense.
I think we all agree that last night was a pen, it wasn't given. I think we all agree that Spurs 'goal' that Carroll scooped out was over the line, but wasn't given. Both incorrect decisions, hardly what you'd call bizarre though unless you're nursing some serious grudge there buddy.
posted on 27/3/12
By no means irrefutable
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Yes it is.
posted on 27/3/12
establishment under siege - qpr had a goal which clearly crossed the line at bolton just two weeks ago, so why you're still harping on about something that happened over seven years ago only you know.
supergoon - blackburn were denied a stone wall penalty at the reebok on saturday.
there you have it. in their last two games bolton wanderers have got away with some scandalous decisions, yet have received no outrage from the media. and that's the bottom line here. it's only when manchester untied benefit from a perceived 'dodgy decision' that the media make a point out of it and virgins such as yourself regurgitate these myths.
posted on 27/3/12
comment by Establishment under siege - Yesterday my troubles seemed so far away (U6056)
Mendes
Nani
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Nothing bizarre about the Mendes one. Balls cross the line all of time and the refs/assistants dont spot it. It was an awful decision, but not bizarre. I think that the goal that Mark Hughes scored a few years back was much more bizarre, where it actually hit the advertising boarding and came back out. It wasnt given.
As for the Nani goal, that was Gomes fault. Nothing to do with the ref.
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