comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
"stats which say how many should have been given that weren't and how many given that shouldn't have been."
That's a subjective viewpoint surely?
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Certainly but it's the most logical and certainly more logical way of doing it than stats which just say how many have been given.
Regardless, as I said stats saying how many have been given, don't prove a myth or that it's true.
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These stats would certainly lead you to conclude that there is merit in it being a bit of a myth.
Unless you were a complete and utter dimwit.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 37 seconds ago
Regardless, as I said stats saying how many have been given, don't prove a myth or that it's true.
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These stats would certainly lead you to conclude that there is merit in it being a bit of a myth.
Unless you were a complete and utter dimwit.
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Maybe so, although I have major doubts.
Where was this outrage when Newcastle were awarded a diabolical penalty at OT?
How can you have a stat based on a subjective viewpoint though? "Here are the stats on incorrectly awarded penalties as decided by a majority vote by our review panel".
You'd all be on here saying the review panel are United biased, and are awarding too many incorrectly awarded penalty awards to us.
speaking of one's which weren't given, here's united at fulham earlier in the season;
http://gifsoup.com/view5/3553017/united-fulham-non-penalty-o.gif
Maybe so, although I have major doubts.
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You would.
"stats which say how many should have been given that weren't and how many given that shouldn't have been."
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Considering most teams at Old Trafford spend most of the time defending I would think those figures would favour Manchester United too.
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
How can you have a stat based on a subjective viewpoint though? "Here are the stats on incorrectly awarded penalties as decided by a majority vote by our review panel".
You'd all be on here saying the review panel are United biased, and are awarding too many incorrectly awarded penalty awards to us.
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I think that would be the best way to do it, I don;t think it is the perfect way. There is no perfect way.
I don;t think it is the perfect way. There is no perfect way.
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I think the perfect way is to count up the number of penalties awarded over a set period of time and divide that by the number of games played.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 32 seconds ago
I don;t think it is the perfect way. There is no perfect way.
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I think the perfect way is to count up the number of penalties awarded over a set period of time and divide that by the number of games played.
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I really hope you're joking.
That gives you how many penalties were awarded on average not how many were incorrectly awarded, which doesn't dispel or prove a 'myth'.
comment by ole_1999 (U13262)
posted 7 minutes ago
speaking of one's which weren't given, here's united at fulham earlier in the season;
http://gifsoup.com/view5/3553017/united-fulham-non-penalty-o.gif
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Perfect example, no one had their panties in a twist then too.
Do you guys see a pattern?
When Utd get decisions it bad, when others get decisions against Utd its good.
ABU logic at its finest
That gives you how many penalties were awarded on average not how many were incorrectly awarded, which doesn't dispel or prove a 'myth'.
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That is the way it has to be.
You can't have a stat for incorrectly awarded penalties. Who would determin what was incorrect? Liverpool fans?
Dont judge, i suffer tourettes!
As United aren't actually cheating when they get awarded a penalty we have to assume that it's actually FA corruption on a grand scale.
In that case TOOR, I can't see them adopting your revolutionary dubious penalties panel.
Perhaps we should start small, maybe look at a 'dubious dives' panel. As a Liverpool fan, how would that sit with you?
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
That gives you how many penalties were awarded on average not how many were incorrectly awarded, which doesn't dispel or prove a 'myth'.
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That is the way it has to be.
You can't have a stat for incorrectly awarded penalties. Who would determin what was incorrect? Liverpool fans?
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Vidic all you are getting from that would be how many penalties per game on average a club concedes, which is ridiculous, in determining whether United getting more decisions is a myth or not.
Obviously my way is not perfect but it does complete a study on the topic of whether it is a myth or not that United get more decisions, rather than on who gets the most penalties etc.
As a Liverpool fan, how would that sit with you?
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Very nicely because they seem to be 'sitting down' quite a lot
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
As United aren't actually cheating when they get awarded a penalty we have to assume that it's actually FA corruption on a grand scale.
In that case TOOR, I can't see them adopting your revolutionary dubious penalties panel.
Perhaps we should start small, maybe look at a 'dubious dives' panel. As a Liverpool fan, how would that sit with you?
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If it were found that United got the decisions, then I would say it is anybodies fault and certainly it wouldn't be United's fault. Pressure and the occasion can get to people.
Dubious dive panel? Would sit fine with me. Might cut a bit of it out.
We could have a 'celebrating wildly after punching the ball over the line' panel.
I like the way this is going.
I'm loving Vidicschin's resolve on this thread, stick with it man!
And to others: It's pretty bloody difficult to prove a negative as in, prove how many penalties were not awarded. You can really only look at and count those that were given. Else you could say that every other second of match time where a penalty is not taking place is a time when a penalty was not given.
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
We could have a 'celebrating wildly after punching the ball over the line' panel.
I like the way this is going.
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Is this something that happens often? I have yet to see an occurrence of this.
Not at the Wigan game on Saturday then I take it.
comment by Rooney's New Hairpiece (Berbatov's N... (U10011)
posted 3 seconds ago
I'm loving Vidicschin's resolve on this thread, stick with it man!
And to others: It's pretty bloody difficult to prove a negative as in, prove how many penalties were not awarded. You can really only look at and count those that were given. Else you could say that every other second of match time where a penalty is not taking place is a time when a penalty was not given.
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i don't think so. You would have to look at things which happened in the box which should have been penalties, ie. a blatant handball that was missed, a foul which wasn't given.
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 41 seconds ago
Not at the Wigan game on Saturday then I take it.
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Ah yes the ball comes down, hits a player on the arm and goes in, a punch.
What is wrong with you people?
Can you not hold a debate without resulting to idiocy?
Does this happen on every article on this board? It does seem to be a recurring theme.
United get less borderline penalty decisions than any other team.
I have no actual evidence to back this up, it is nevertheless absolutely true.
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posted on 27/3/12
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
"stats which say how many should have been given that weren't and how many given that shouldn't have been."
That's a subjective viewpoint surely?
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Certainly but it's the most logical and certainly more logical way of doing it than stats which just say how many have been given.
posted on 27/3/12
Regardless, as I said stats saying how many have been given, don't prove a myth or that it's true.
......................................
These stats would certainly lead you to conclude that there is merit in it being a bit of a myth.
Unless you were a complete and utter dimwit.
posted on 27/3/12
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 37 seconds ago
Regardless, as I said stats saying how many have been given, don't prove a myth or that it's true.
......................................
These stats would certainly lead you to conclude that there is merit in it being a bit of a myth.
Unless you were a complete and utter dimwit.
-------------------------------------------
Maybe so, although I have major doubts.
posted on 27/3/12
Where was this outrage when Newcastle were awarded a diabolical penalty at OT?
posted on 27/3/12
How can you have a stat based on a subjective viewpoint though? "Here are the stats on incorrectly awarded penalties as decided by a majority vote by our review panel".
You'd all be on here saying the review panel are United biased, and are awarding too many incorrectly awarded penalty awards to us.
posted on 27/3/12
speaking of one's which weren't given, here's united at fulham earlier in the season;
http://gifsoup.com/view5/3553017/united-fulham-non-penalty-o.gif
posted on 27/3/12
Maybe so, although I have major doubts.
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You would.
posted on 27/3/12
"stats which say how many should have been given that weren't and how many given that shouldn't have been."
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Considering most teams at Old Trafford spend most of the time defending I would think those figures would favour Manchester United too.
posted on 27/3/12
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
How can you have a stat based on a subjective viewpoint though? "Here are the stats on incorrectly awarded penalties as decided by a majority vote by our review panel".
You'd all be on here saying the review panel are United biased, and are awarding too many incorrectly awarded penalty awards to us.
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I think that would be the best way to do it, I don;t think it is the perfect way. There is no perfect way.
posted on 27/3/12
I don;t think it is the perfect way. There is no perfect way.
...................
I think the perfect way is to count up the number of penalties awarded over a set period of time and divide that by the number of games played.
posted on 27/3/12
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 32 seconds ago
I don;t think it is the perfect way. There is no perfect way.
...................
I think the perfect way is to count up the number of penalties awarded over a set period of time and divide that by the number of games played.
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I really hope you're joking.
That gives you how many penalties were awarded on average not how many were incorrectly awarded, which doesn't dispel or prove a 'myth'.
posted on 27/3/12
comment by ole_1999 (U13262)
posted 7 minutes ago
speaking of one's which weren't given, here's united at fulham earlier in the season;
http://gifsoup.com/view5/3553017/united-fulham-non-penalty-o.gif
===============
Perfect example, no one had their panties in a twist then too.
Do you guys see a pattern?
When Utd get decisions it bad, when others get decisions against Utd its good.
ABU logic at its finest
posted on 27/3/12
That gives you how many penalties were awarded on average not how many were incorrectly awarded, which doesn't dispel or prove a 'myth'.
............
That is the way it has to be.
You can't have a stat for incorrectly awarded penalties. Who would determin what was incorrect? Liverpool fans?
posted on 27/3/12
Dont judge, i suffer tourettes!
posted on 27/3/12
As United aren't actually cheating when they get awarded a penalty we have to assume that it's actually FA corruption on a grand scale.
In that case TOOR, I can't see them adopting your revolutionary dubious penalties panel.
Perhaps we should start small, maybe look at a 'dubious dives' panel. As a Liverpool fan, how would that sit with you?
posted on 27/3/12
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
That gives you how many penalties were awarded on average not how many were incorrectly awarded, which doesn't dispel or prove a 'myth'.
............
That is the way it has to be.
You can't have a stat for incorrectly awarded penalties. Who would determin what was incorrect? Liverpool fans?
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Vidic all you are getting from that would be how many penalties per game on average a club concedes, which is ridiculous, in determining whether United getting more decisions is a myth or not.
Obviously my way is not perfect but it does complete a study on the topic of whether it is a myth or not that United get more decisions, rather than on who gets the most penalties etc.
posted on 27/3/12
As a Liverpool fan, how would that sit with you?
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Very nicely because they seem to be 'sitting down' quite a lot
posted on 27/3/12
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
As United aren't actually cheating when they get awarded a penalty we have to assume that it's actually FA corruption on a grand scale.
In that case TOOR, I can't see them adopting your revolutionary dubious penalties panel.
Perhaps we should start small, maybe look at a 'dubious dives' panel. As a Liverpool fan, how would that sit with you?
-----------------------------------------------
If it were found that United got the decisions, then I would say it is anybodies fault and certainly it wouldn't be United's fault. Pressure and the occasion can get to people.
Dubious dive panel? Would sit fine with me. Might cut a bit of it out.
posted on 27/3/12
We could have a 'celebrating wildly after punching the ball over the line' panel.
I like the way this is going.
posted on 27/3/12
I'm loving Vidicschin's resolve on this thread, stick with it man!
And to others: It's pretty bloody difficult to prove a negative as in, prove how many penalties were not awarded. You can really only look at and count those that were given. Else you could say that every other second of match time where a penalty is not taking place is a time when a penalty was not given.
posted on 27/3/12
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
We could have a 'celebrating wildly after punching the ball over the line' panel.
I like the way this is going.
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Is this something that happens often? I have yet to see an occurrence of this.
posted on 27/3/12
Not at the Wigan game on Saturday then I take it.
posted on 27/3/12
comment by Rooney's New Hairpiece (Berbatov's N... (U10011)
posted 3 seconds ago
I'm loving Vidicschin's resolve on this thread, stick with it man!
And to others: It's pretty bloody difficult to prove a negative as in, prove how many penalties were not awarded. You can really only look at and count those that were given. Else you could say that every other second of match time where a penalty is not taking place is a time when a penalty was not given.
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i don't think so. You would have to look at things which happened in the box which should have been penalties, ie. a blatant handball that was missed, a foul which wasn't given.
posted on 27/3/12
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 41 seconds ago
Not at the Wigan game on Saturday then I take it.
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Ah yes the ball comes down, hits a player on the arm and goes in, a punch.
What is wrong with you people?
Can you not hold a debate without resulting to idiocy?
Does this happen on every article on this board? It does seem to be a recurring theme.
posted on 27/3/12
United get less borderline penalty decisions than any other team.
I have no actual evidence to back this up, it is nevertheless absolutely true.
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