money making scam?
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/9649400.Yobs_face_fine_for_drinking_in_the_street/
i ask because a couple of weeks ago i got fined 100 pounds along with 2of my mates for standing on the street near the bromilow arms finishing our beers and having a bit of a chat before walking to scotts bar...
we were not causing any trouble, not singing or drawing any attention to ourselves whatsoever, however the police thought it necessary to search all of us (including jackets and shoes) and issue us with fine for causing 'alarm and distress' (to who exactly as there was nobody around except us and the coppers) and being 'under the influence of alcohol' (they did try drunk and disorderly at first till i politely pointed out that this was the first drink of the day and they could Breathalyzer us if they wanted us to back this up...they declined and changed the wording of it.
when i continued to argue my point telling them that this is just not right, they said 'we make the rules mate, not you' and if i had a problem with it i could take it further at the station. I wanted to see the match so i shutup and took the paper telling them i wasnt paying it and they could take me to court... (after speaking to a solicitor friend of mine she said it wont stand up for the police in court anyway so she advised me to do it) one of my mates unfortunately politely asked the police again why they can do this... the response 'we can do what we want with football fans mate' ...he said it was bull**** ...and spent a few hours in the cells at horwich and was released with... surprise, surprise, another £75 pound fine for 'causing public disorder'
so, do you think its right the police should be allowed to pick on us this way?
do you think the new change is just to extract more money from people or is it justified? think about it - if your in the harvester beer garden after a match having a good sing song like what happens at a match, would this be construed as 'violent' 'yobbish' behavior and allow the police to fine everyone there?
sorry...just another way of making money im afraid
so...
great new change in the law...or another...
posted on 14/4/12
Agreed.
posted on 14/4/12
How dare the police fine you for breaking the law.
Do they KNOW who you are?
posted on 14/4/12
comment by Vera(U4103)
April 14, 2012
Two issues running at once, here.
The public drinking; the behaviour of the police.
If the law says don't drink in the street, and you drink in the street...you're struggling to find a leg on which to stand.
However, having had a similar experience with police behaviour, I can fully understand your frustration about the way you perceive you were treated.
Laws are laws, even if you don't agree. Crash helmets and seatbelts are two in particular that wind me up...but that's the way it goes. I know the law, so I wear both. (Sometimes at the same time.)
Having said all that...I still feel a bit uncomfortable that some posters will argue that black is white as soon as they see Trigger's name at the top of an article.
I don't know...maybe he enjoys it.
posted on 14/4/12
Based on the fact me and Trig have argued the same thing regarding Coyle all season and agreed,I know I'm in the clear with the above Miss Marple who done it!!!
posted on 14/4/12
Can see both sides here.
You did break the law, and theres no looking past that, but from the sound of things the police were out of order.
But thats the way it is - technically, although not causing any major problems or disruptions, you were in the wrong. The police are more than allowed to prosecute you for it, whereas some bobbys would just ask you to throw the can away.
A lot of police are bullies in uniform with a superiority complex and small man syndrome, don't get too aggravated over it (just in time, I know.)
posted on 14/4/12
"A lot of police are bullies in uniform with a superiority complex and small man syndrome, don't get too aggravated over it (just in time, I know.)"
These comments always amuse me... Assuming you're not a Kray or Soprano, what experience have you had with Police Officers to form this opinion?
I'm good friends with a Cop and these one liners always appear without substance...
Or are you a Soprano...?!
posted on 14/4/12
"A lot of police are bullies in uniform with a superiority complex and small man syndrome, don't get too aggravated over it (just in time, I know.)"
These comments always amuse me... Assuming you're not a Kray or Soprano, what experience have you had with Police Officers to form this opinion?
I'm good friends with a Cop and these one liners always appear without substance...
Or are you a Soprano...?!
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Soprano
I'm afraid I'm with Notlob on this one.
He didn't say 'all' coppers.
My cousin married one...sweet Jesus. He fits the bill of Trigger's mate perfectly.
And I haven't even started my story yet...
posted on 14/4/12
Hi guys,
Only just happened on this thread.
If we cool down a little, I feel the realisation that the police, IN GENERAL, will try to use common sense where INTERPRETATION of the law is called for.
If an individual, or a group of people , cause reason for the police to use their powers oe discretion, then said individuals have entered a kind of lottery, still weighted in their favour, but of course, you have the chance of things going against you.
You have the option of remaining squeeky clean at all times- you would then, indeed, be justified in feeling persicuted.
However, give the police the option of enforcing the law (which is what we all pay them for), you can put the outcome down to bad luck or bad judgement, but in the end, the police have to answerr to both the offended and the said perpitraitors.
There is no black and white, but it is up to us as individuals to stay the 'right ' side of the line.
This is noy a Pious viewpoint, I did some stupid things myself when much younger, sometimes getting away when I shouldn't, and other times getting unfairly treated for when innocent.
My lesson was to not get in compromising situations in the first place.
Anyhow, let's just aim to live our own lives as well as we can, life's precious and too short.
Oh. yes, I've had one or two over the odds!
Cheers guys,
HTF.
posted on 14/4/12
'Assuming you're not a Kray or Soprano, what experience have you had with Police Officers to form this opinion?'
I am not a Kray or a Soprano, but funnily enough whilst the organised crime underworld is dormant in the North of England the police spend time dealing with smaller offenses.
I was mainly joking with that comment, but the point does stand that there are police 5 sizes too big for their boots.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2012/mar/30/police-officer-recording-black-man prime example.
Don't get me wrong though a lot of police are reasonable, but people like above, and who dealt with Trigger, show the rest of them up
posted on 15/4/12
I fought the law. And the law won.