KP finished ?

nice speech anyway

i thought we were at the battle of trafalgar or something for a minute

If KP has done that, there is no way back sadly.
Could you imagine if Wayne Rooney went up to the opposition strikers in the European Cup and advised about our goalkeeper weaknesses.

I have always stuck up for Pieterson, but if this is true - and texts can be traced - He needs to be expelled for good.

Regarding the other usual debate, Strauss and Prior are completrly English. Trott, Pieterson and Kieswetter is scrapping the barrel. Morgsn is wrong too in my opinion. However, one must see where the players hve been coached - In Morgans case, Lords.

On a side note, why do we have so many Saffers in the UK?

im not sure i'd agree about morgan yorkie.

although the team's called england, it's always really been a british isles team.

>>> On a side note, why do we have so many Saffers in the UK?

They got knocked back by Ecuador

Morgan is wrong too in my opinion.
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On this point I would agree compared to Strauss as Morgan is Irish, doesn't claim to be anything other than Irish, played for Ireland, and switched to the England & Wales Cricket Board team simply because Ireland is an associate member rather a full test playing member of the ICC.

However, I dont think we should feel too bad about this stuff, because our competitors in all sports have been doing this for years as well. I always laugh when the Australians moan about our teams, and yet seem happy to grab any pacific island nation player they can for their rugby team, (as do NZ but they don't get too sanctimonious about us) and if birth place was indeed the pure definition of your nationality, which it isn't as we've discussed, they've had quite a few English born players over the years in their cricket team.

Pea - England bought Ireland from the Pope in 11 hundred and something

Tony Grieg what a berk

Further explanation of my comment on the union of ireland and england. As you will see the Pope formally confirmed in 1555 that the Queen of England and her hiers and successors were the lawful Queen/King of Ireland in accordance with the Crown of Ireland Act of 1541 :

-8000 First inhabitants of the island arrive from scotland (celts)

-100 Gails from scotland invade the island (commencement of pagan gaelic culture)

400 St Patrick tries (and fails) to convert the sparcely distributed Pagan population to catholicism

795-1014 Viking invasion and assimilation with Gaels and into Pagan Gaelic culture

c900 Kingships' form within the island - ulster, lienster, connaght, munster

900-1100+ Kingships at war with one another

1155 Pope issues Laudabiliter requesting the King of England to introduce Catholicism to Ireland and to bring the "uncivilised" inhabitants of the island to order. Laudabiliter grants Lordship of Ireland to the King of England in excahge for annual taxes paid by the English Crown to the Vatican

1169 Strongbow, King of Leinster, reqests the Earl of Pembroke to bring an army to Dublin to fight the King of Munster.
Strongbow and Pembroke's army defeats Munster. Pembroke marries strongbow's daughter and on strongbow's death becomes King of Leinster
Pembroke succesful in increasing Leinster's territory

1171 Henry 2 takes Leinster from the Earl of Pembroke, and forms Lordship of Ireland

1171 - 1541 Lordship of Ireland controls much of the island, as a part of the Kingdom of England, under the reign of the King of England / Lord of Ireland, and spreads catholicism across the island, replacing the gaelic pagan religion
During this time Old English intermarry with Gaels throughout the sparcely populated island

1297 Parliament of ireland introduced in Dublin by the Lord of Ireland/King of England

1531 Henry 8 requires all land (old english and gaelic) to be formally passed to the Crown

1541 Crown of Ireland Act passed and Henry v111 becomes King of Ireland instead of Lord of Ireland

1555 Pope issues a formal written decree that Queen Mary of England and her successors and heirs are the rightful King or Queen of Ireland

1531-1601 Rebellions from gaels and old english against more strongly enforced rule from England. Finished in 1601 when Hugh Oniell, Earl of Tyrone, surrenders to the Queen after fighting alongside the Spanish against the english army

1641 King Charles 1 quells gaelic rebellion in ireland

1648 rebellious gaels wilfully pledge allegiance to the Crown and Charles 1

1649 Cromwell's army attack Charles' army and gaelic supporters in ireland

1660 Monarchy restored in England and Ireland under Charles ii

1707 Act of Union between English and Scottish crowns creates Kingdom of Great Britain and effects a union of the Irish crown with the new British crown.

1800 Act of Union formally merges the Irish and British Crowns

im a bit bored