I probably havent spelt his name correctly but everyone knows the Portuguese former assistant I am referring to. With him as SAF's understudy we won the double, albeit with a Ronaldo, Tevez and a fit Hargreaves which we now lack. However having looked at their backgrounds I would question anyone who would for a second think to defend Phelan over Carlos who was obviously far more tactically adept. SAF is undoubtedly the worlds greatest motivator and man manager however I think he needs a respectable number 2 at least to scrutinise his tactics, something Phelan, who comes across to me as a yes man maybe doesn't do. Steve McClaren was another top assistant and we won the treble with him.
In short I would like to hear your views on the importance of assistant mangers and if anyone rates Phelan, why?
Assistant managers, downhill since Quierez?
posted on 28/8/12
Surely the main point of the article was to highlight the fact Queiroz was an excellent assistant manager which was quite clear for all to see.
It doesn't seem quite so clear what Phelan actually offers us in comparison and for a club like United we should always be striving for the best and if that means looking at possible options for an assistant then so be it.
A club like United should never strive for mediocrity and should always be looking to improve in every area of the club. Although I'm sure Ferguson knows better than all of us.
posted on 28/8/12
Park Ji (Moggard) Sung (U13708)
Come on PJS.
As others have pointed out, Rene is the one more into tactics.
Phelan is more of a bridge b/w SAF and players.
And i m sure he does what SAF wants him to do. We will never know the extent of his responsibilities /duties so why discuss his non-apparent limitations.
Threads like these quickly take on a mob mentality when 3 or 4 posters criticise him and then all others join in without an ounce of knowledge.
And for me personally , not even SAF is above criticism. But we can criticise somebody only when we know what's his job which is not the case with Mick.
And as far as Quiroz is concerned, Neville also said that Quiroz sessions could be quite boring and bland.
That was Neville, a pure hard worker who found football sessions boring so think abt the other players with different mindsets.
posted on 28/8/12
VSmile - Yeah I know mate, but what I'm saying is I don't think it's fair for people to just say "Terrible article" or "WUM" without actually debating what the OP wrote.
Out of interest was Rene about when Quieroz was? Or has the Assistant Manager role been broken into two between Rene and Phelan after Carlos left?
posted on 28/8/12
rene was here when quieroz was here and was the skills coach i believe then he left to manage brondby and then came back i think PJS
posted on 28/8/12
Park Ji (Moggard) Sung (U13708)
Meulensteen had been the academy and reserve team Skills Development Coach before he left to become a first team coach.
He then returned to United in 2007 to become Technical Skills Development Coach.
You can see his influence on the youth and reserve team players over the 4-5 years because a lot of the players coming through the youth system now are a lot better technically than what players a decade ago were and the way both the U-18 and U-21 sides like to play football now is a lot more focused on getting the ball down and playing with it on the ground.
The football the academy and reserve team produce at times is such a joy to watch.
posted on 28/8/12
God awful article. The same fans were chanting 4-4-2 and booing Quieroz because we had started playing a brand of 4-5-1. The same people now think he was the tactician extraordinaire.
I appreciate that this place is an opportunity to express opinions but that doesn't mean people should just keep on posting garbage.
Delete this tripe please
posted on 28/8/12
"God knows what Phelan has done for so many of our fans to diss him."
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True but I think it is more the fact that we just don't know what Phelan has done. Full stop. I don't say that to disrespect Phelan, I just have no idea what he does or how he does it.
"I think the problem fans have is that with Queiroz it was very clear what he brought to the team and he came with an impressive CV.
He was responsible for some of our transfer dealings, he took charge of our tactics which G Nev described in great detail the amount of work Queiroz went into before the CL semi against Barca and generally made us (tactically) the team we were while he was around. The reason he hasn't done so well as a manager probably just shows that he is more suited to the assistant role where he can concentrate on getting the team to listen to his tactics and ideas while someone like Ferguson can deal with the more human elements of being a manager.
Of course there are many elements to what an assistant can bring and right now we have 2 of them, I just think a lot of fans like myself actually wonder what skills Phelan brings, I guess it doesn't help that he looks like someone's clueless fat uncle most of the time.
I'm sure he does something for us, I just think none of us actually know what."
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I.e. ^ this
posted on 28/8/12
With him as SAF's understudy we won the double, albeit with a Ronaldo, Tevez and a fit Hargreaves
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posted on 28/8/12
@comment by Valencia_Smile
well, I don't really agree so
seriously I don't
Fergie is top of the pile at some things, others he's not special IMO. Especially tactics.
Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Everyone.
posted on 29/8/12
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 12 hours, 51 minutes ago
Surely the main point of the article was to highlight the fact Queiroz was an excellent assistant manager which was quite clear for all to see.
It doesn't seem quite so clear what Phelan actually offers us in comparison and for a club like United we should always be striving for the best and if that means looking at possible options for an assistant then so be it.
A club like United should never strive for mediocrity and should always be looking to improve in every area of the club. Although I'm sure Ferguson knows better than all of us.
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Spot on