Noel Whelan

AJ, I think you have made a terrible mistake, and been looking on a site that is connected to football

They're all right good on Football Manager.

1) I didn't say those factors would get you the qualifications, I said they would help you in attending the seminars and lectures required to pass the qualifications. You can't pay to pass the examinations. Please read what I type if you insist in retorting in such an abrupt manner.

2) Since when has 25% (one quarter) of 100% been 3? Please provide more accurate statistics if using them as a means of trying to prove a point.

TBR, you have misunderstood the percentages.

Not everyone does every course. I believe the stats given were pass percentages. Without knowing how many people started, it would be impossible to say how many passed.

TBR:

97% of 100 = 97
40% of 97 = 38.8
33% of 38.8 = 12.8
25% of 12.8 = 3.2

Hence, roughly 3 people will out of every 100 will pass everything

If you read it properly, then it clearly states that only 3 out of 100 will get ALL QUALIFICATIONS.

So back to basics:

97 will get level 1 (3 drop outs) then further drop outs in each section.

Noel Whelan is the least of our coaching problems.........we have Gary Crosby

Tree

"I didn't say those factors would get you the qualifications, I said they would help you in attending the seminars and lectures required to pass the qualifications. You can't pay to pass the examinations. Please read what I type if you insist in retorting in such an abrupt manner."

But you did say it! .......
"On the other hand, anybody with enough financial clout, a reasonable brain and some spare time can undertake the seminars and lectures to pass the qualifications."

I read what you typed and I've just read it again. Read it yourself and tell me how you didnt say what I thought you said.

Your only (very tenuous) get out is that you may have been trying to imply they could undertake the course but didnt say they WOULD pass the course. Which is why I put in the stats that, of every 100 people who start the FA coaching courses, only 3 get to the Level A Pro licence. There are a lot of ex-pros who dont make it through.

The Level 1 course is very straightforward and anyone can pass it.

Level 2 is far harder and you have to be able to demonstrate a decent level of football skills to pass it. This is the limit of my abilities!

Level 3 and above are incredibly technical - attending lectures is the smallest part of it. Most of it is practical assessment where you are being observed constantly by fully trained professional coaches.

Its unusual for a non-ex pro to undertake level 3 /UEFA B and VERY unusual for a non-ex pro to do UEFA A.

On the basis that my stats are correct (and they are FA stats not mine!), then if 100 ex-pros get to level 3/UEFA B, only 1/3 will pass. Those 33 will then take UEFA A and only ¼ (8) of them will pass. On that basis, Whelan is in the top 8% iof ex-pros when it comes to his ability to coach. Which suggests (1) he’s hard to put in some effort to get the qualification and (b) he must have some pretty decent coaching skills

My retort is this:

1) I know exactly what I said and meant - I didn't say having the money enabled you to PASS. I merely stated that those few factors helps and allows you to undertake the course. You can't do it for free and balance it with a 9-5 job and kids, for example.

2) You have far too much time on your hands, trying to prove a point to which I'm really not that bothered about. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Noel Whelan was a pretty mediocre player, and I can't honestly see his coaching ability and credentials ever going much further.

And nobody can see why you would judge a coach based on his playing career - a fact you have tried to distance yourself from but is all too evident.