In a week where rivalries have generally been put aside, I have listened to Talksport quite a bit, I must admit, some of the relatives and family involved in the Hillsborough disaster have nearly put me in tears when you consider the lengths that certain parties went through to cover up the truth that day, the fans who were trying to help the injured and dying fans on that day were castigated, it is quite disgusting to think that our "trusted" authorities thought the best course of action was to protect their own and ascertain blame on to the victims and their families and friends. Liverpool as whole had a bad press in the '80s, there was the Heysel disaster, the city was regarded as a Militant City under the guidance of Derek Hatton and the common thought about Liverpool as a whole (from certain parties) was that it was a City that wanted a free lunch and coveted violence also. It is quite apparent that a lot of the fans that travelled that day were families and children, people who wanted who were excited to watch a great game of football.
It was taken away in such a cruel way, rest in peace the 96.
I am a MUFC fan BTW, will be also hoping that we cane you in a weeks time.
LFC vs MUFC Rivalry
posted on 14/9/12
Let's knock this ridiculous nonsense about 'extra fans without tickets' being in any way the cause of the tragedy on the head once and for all.
I'm an old bloke who has been going to football matches home and away for 45 years following my team (Derby County). Remember the Baseball Ground? Imagine standing on the Popside with 41,000 in the ground - crammed in like sardines. Often we would get to the ground only 15 minutes or so before kickoff, sometimes we would miss the start.
The one thing that never happened though in all my life was going to a game where they opened the gates beforehand. Think about it - a couple of thousand people who would normally be entering the ground only as fast as the turnstiles would admit them, suddenly allowed to flood in through a gate behind the stand - a flood at one point instead of a trickle all the way along the stand.
Put yourself in the position of a fan turning up in the hope of buying a ticket from a tout. The gate's been opened, hundreds are pouring through unchecked - hell, you'd have to be mad not to take advantage of that. Also, you hear the whistle, the game has kicked off - everyone surges forward. You want to see - anyone would. Only...
Those in front aren't moving. You don't really push, but the pressure from those behind you is increasing. Something has to give. Ribcages and airways are what gives.
The person responsible for the tragedy is the person who ordered the gaqte to be opened, the person who caused the stewards to be withdrawn so no-one could be directed to the side pens, the person who said the game should kick off with so many outside.
The fans were never to blame. It saddens me to think that some people still wish to perpetuate that myth.
posted on 14/9/12
oops, sorry...
wrong thread.
posted on 14/9/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by John1 (U3530)
posted 18 minutes ago
What about those fans who didnt attend with tickets?
Wasn't there an extra 5,000 liverpool fans without tickets? Or was that just lies?
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Considering the stand was around the capacity of tickets sold, then no there wasn't extra fans(no more than normal
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you must admit Toor though that as john said, 96 football fans being crushed to death is acually a bit of a knock but Heysel is really where it's at
That 10 year old boy who was tested for Alcohol after dying in the most horrific set of circumstances now needs to be held to account for Heysel
John has a point right?
posted on 14/9/12
Old One Eye
I think you got exactly the right thread.
posted on 14/9/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 10 minutes ago
I'm still living off the 4-1 at Old Trafford, that sort of keeps me company when we haven't won there for four years.
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Still haunts me more than the City 6-1, especially as we were the better side
posted on 14/9/12
comment by Old One-Eye (U3473)
posted 6 minutes ago
oops, sorry...
wrong thread.
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Couldn't be on the wrong thread
perfectly put
posted 10 minutes ago
I'm still living off the 4-1 at Old Trafford, that sort of keeps me company when we haven't won there for four years.
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Still haunts me more than the City 6-1, especially as we were the better side
posted on 14/9/12
Better side? It's the worst I've ever seen United play against us. The defence was non existent and much of the time the midfield were just bypassed like they weren't there.
posted on 15/9/12
Don't stop believin' TOOR. Don't you reckon the 4-1 just made the title even sweeter?
Old one-eye, great post. Everyone should read that.
posted on 15/9/12
arent you the same united fans who were calling us disgusting names , and racists .....tarring us liverpool fans with the racism stick...
you are right , i love the rivalry ........but the name calling last year went above what we normally do ....(and yes i know liverpool fans arent any angels)
posted on 15/9/12
Come on Bat, I don't believe the people here are any of the people who come out with that nonsense. It's quite clearly the people who are remaining quiet, who are feeling very stupid at the moment.