If we had not signed RVP, do you think Welbeck would have done better this season (especially regarding his finishing)?
Yes/No? Why/Why not?
How would he do if he was at Arsenal/Tottenham this season?
I think if he was the main striker we would still be complaining about the amounts of chances he misses, but he would have had more than 2 goals (as last year shown) and would probably have improved is overall game. IMO, won't be as clinical as RVP though, but his finishing would defo be better than it is now.
RVP seems like he has gone off the boil recently. There were moments in the CL ties with Madrid where he was in a position to score and basically fluffed it like Welbeck. Off form? Hip injury? Or just burnt out？
W&R - Your view of Welbeck is pretty well known. So, I've excluded you from this topic.
Would Welbeck be better without RVP at UTD?
posted on 11/3/13
merrysupersteve - I know you're a United fan but everytime I see your name I think you're a Liverpool fan...A bit like Maestro (who's name is similar to Metro a 'pool fan).
posted on 11/3/13
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 28 minutes ago
Hass he been playing well on the wing though? And when I say playing well, I mean is he a threat to the opposition? He works very hard, yes. But is there any tangible quality? When he gets the ball and attacks does he tend to create chances for himself or others? Not often enough imo.
And if he didn't come through our academy, we would not have rushed out and signed him.
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After sunderland were he was actually taught to be a striker and made the runs I just do not see now with him? He was a beast. Then he was 19, could play on the flanks and up front, built like a brick and packed with skills. We just paid 10 million for Zaha who has similar potential. The tendency to dismiss players because they are from our academy is way too high.
And if you watch his play from the flanks you notice a few things, he keeps possession of the ball, he can beat his man at all times and when he cuts in, his link up play is wonderful. It is not going to lead to the vaunted "assist" but it always opens up a chance.
I worry about fergies conintual rotation of him, and worry he is not getting the right instructions in training. At sunderland, he used to attack balls aerially, make runs to the near post, all the hallmarks of a good striker, these days, he halts his runs, does not come to the ball or attack it. I wonder if they know he is still a footballer learning his craft and needs to be taught.
posted on 11/3/13
Don't know about him scoring more goals but we definitely wouldn't be sitting on top of the league table.
posted on 11/3/13
To the user who made the comment about would we buy him.
We wouldn't have paid huge money for him but I certainly wouldn't be unhappy if we had bought him at some point. I am certain that if he didn't come through our academy but was available cheap and wanted to come to United we would have got him.
He is a very talented player for his age and I am more than happy to have him at United..
I just wish our 4th choice for every position was as good as Welbeck, that would be an immense squad.
posted on 11/3/13
Hass he been playing well on the wing though? And when I say playing well, I mean is he a threat to the opposition?
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Yes, and yes.
He might not have scored the goals but the fact that he's been there to take the shots suggests he has been threatening. He's also been very good on the edge of the box; he might not have been attributed the direct assist but he is very often involved in the play leading to the goal. He makes fantastic runs that make space for the likes of RvP and Rooney to exploit.
How anyone can criticise him is beyond me.
He was our outstanding attacking threat against Madrid, especially in the first half of the OT game where they really couldn't deal with him.
What annoys most, is that all of this criticism has started after he delivered two of his best performances of the season against Madrid. It's almost as if fans want him to fail. All of a sudden we have the board clowns like Stretty and W&R seemingly taking the attitude that he isn't allowed to be a good player. If Hernandez had performed against Madrid how Welbeck did, they'd be queuing up to lick his balls.
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What annoys most, is that all of this criticism has started after he delivered two of his best performances of the season against Madrid
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I was not always his biggest fan but he is slowly winning me over, he's been much more of a threat down the wings this season than any of our recognised wingers including nani
posted on 11/3/13
What annoys most, is that all of this criticism has started after he delivered two of his best performances of the season against Madrid. It's almost as if fans want him to fail. All of a sudden we have the board clowns like Stretty and W&R seemingly taking the attitude that he isn't allowed to be a good player. If Hernandez had performed against Madrid how Welbeck did, they'd be queuing up to lick his balls.
He is allowed to be a good player, he just isn't particually good.
That's his fault, not mine.
posted on 11/3/13
He's better than you could ever hope to be. He's good enough to have scored 12 goals last season. He's good enough to outplay some of the most accomplished players in the world vs Madrid, he's an established international and a proven goalscorer at that level. Finally, SAF has condifence in him and Rio Ferdinand has expressed serious admiration for his abilities on a number of occasions. Your opinion, whilst deserved, isn't valid by comparison.
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I have got fairly high hopes for the future of Welbeck enough so that I wouldn't want to see him have that future with someone else even he was a Non English Liverpool fan who came through the City academy and had a brief spell at Leeds where he expressed his love for the club.
Not world class but good enough to be a starter for a top team in his future... I hope.