Standing is safe in Germany where they have the biggest attendances Europe.
Most away fans and many home fans already stand in seating areas in the PL and championship.
Surely designated safe standing areas are safer than standing in seating areas.
Standing areas must come back.
It's also not fair on fans that do want to sit without bring up and gown evey minute to see the action.
Football fans mentality has changed much since the hooligan fuelled 70s 80s and 90s
All seated is out of date, give the fans a choice.
If fans want to stand its very hard to do anything about it, just causes many problems.
Bring back standing.
Standing Has To Come Back
posted on 20/12/13
But as you said LIW nothing is 100% safe.
Just look at the theatre last night, the storms etc
Life can be unsafe.
posted on 20/12/13
Liw, questions you say?..
"but there were also gates not open that could have prevented some of what happened, but were there not to many people pushed into that stretch of stand?.."
Liw. if I remember rightly, not all gates into the stands were open, so when being let in most people were being ushered into one section at a time or something stupid like that, it ended with the sections over filling and fans its claimed being let in that shouldn't have even been there!..
I ain't saying anything against the families of those that lost their lives, or against anybodys wishes!..
I'll ask one, no, two simple questions!..
1/if the gates leading in had been opened, would that have taken a bit of pressure away from the stands that were being over filled?..
2/if the people incharged had done things the way the book says, could this disaster have been avoided?..
Its been said the stands were to full, the gates should have been opened, and the people incharge didn't do their jobs right!..
Even the late Maggy covered something up, and she was the boss of the country!..
Stands are safe if properly supervised and used to their capacity!..
And I can say the German fans are happier with standing than sitting!..
posted on 20/12/13
There is so much to admire about the German match day experience.
We have lots to learn.
posted on 20/12/13
Hillsborough occurred because the police panicked where a steady head would have got the crowd arranged better. The terrace to the left and right of the centre pen at the Leppings Lane terrace were half empty. Had they directed people into these areas I doubt there would have been the same issues.
posted on 20/12/13
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posted on 20/12/13
This sort of thing suggests that standing had very little to do with what happened!..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-19577033
Read CROWD SAFETY!..
I know Liverpool fans will be p'd off with seeing this sort of stuff day in day out,(my apologies to all!)but like I've said, even our fans had problems at the same ground that was also branded by safty experts as unsafe and dangerous!..
posted on 20/12/13
There is nothing wrong with bringing back standing areas so long as the area is safe & properly regulated.
It works in Germany & there's no reason with the amount of money in the game that we can't adapt the same approach in this country.
posted on 20/12/13
I would love to see standing brought back,sadly it won't happen.
Mainly due to the tragic deaths of 96 football fans.
I know it works in Germany,but would you sign a document legalisng it?
Imagine if just one person died due to standing!
The're other more dangerous sports for spectators,rallying being one,surprising how many spectators die.Dakar rally being a prime example.
posted on 20/12/13
You're not going to get a standing area again where fans are packed in like sardines.
I really don't see what the problem is.
Nothing wrong with giving fans a choice.
The stadiums have improved dramatically since the 80's.
posted on 27/12/13
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25526329
Football league clubs consulted on standing.