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Immigration

Morning Everyone

I was watching football bloopers on YouTube the other day and somehow got sidetracked by the related videos section and eventually ended up watching Nick Griffin on Question Time. YouTube is weird like that.

Anyway, I recall the actual show from when it aired a few years back and it was a good opportunity for people to digest the somewhat unpopular views of Mr Griffin. Unfortunately, the episode was wasted by people too eager to put the boot in and the following day we had sympathy for Mr Griffin - if anything, the show was probably a good thing for the BNP. Nick Griffin actually won 2 seats at European Parliament some months earlier.

The BNP and other parties like UKIP are completely marginalised by the mainstream media. Now I don't want to come on here and advocate some of their extreme views but I think such ostracising presents a terrible danger that some of the more legitimate views are being ignored - and yes, there are legitimate views.

We shouldn't judge a party by its Leader. Nick Griffin is a toad but Tony Blair is a murderer as far as i'm concerned so its swings and roundabouts when it comes to the face of the party.

The media have created (imo) a generation of politically correct numpties who instead of thinking freely, stick to the general consensus.

I'm not suggesting that this applies to everyone but here is another video from YouTube whereby two young females attack a political party partly because that's the flavour of the nation. Daily Mail columnist Melanie Phillips turns the tables with a very strong response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3QzfrnsQkE

I almost feel that topics like Immigration are being excused because the media have half convinced a nation that any such opposition to it can be accused as a form of discrimination.

Perhaps this is too late in the year for such a topic and I know there are those of you who only wish to talk football but similar topics like this have been quite successful so i'd appreciate your views on something like immigration and whether parties like UKIP actually present an important point.

P.s I'm Labour (although they all leave me disillusioned

Regards

The Great Metropolis







posted on 31/12/13

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posted on 31/12/13

We don't need anymore unskilled workers,we already have enough of those.

posted on 31/12/13

it showed immigration from within and without EEA separately first. It showed immigration within the EEA made a net contribution and then it showed immigration without the EEA showed a net contributon

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I don't give a toss what it shows.. Migrants from EEA countries will already have a welfare programme to benefit from. Where they haven't made any contribution in a host country, their country of origin should continue to provide their welfare funding until such a time where they have deemed to have contributed enough into the "pot".

The means test for amount of contribution leadkng to beinb provided for by a member states welfare programme should be harmonised across the EU, and be based on the cost of living in the country in question. This is fair.

comment by fitlfc (U2366)

posted on 31/12/13

It is impossible to control illegal immigrants and EU migrants. We don't know how many are already in the country, the government takes a guess at the cost to the taxpayer. The future Europe will be your average person dragged down to the poorest level. Get out of Europe now, look after our own poor, aged and sick and send the lazy barsterds/scroungers who have no jobs back to their homeland.

posted on 31/12/13

comment by Respected Poolmyfinger - 15th of March in 1892 (U12438)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Here's a perfect example: Sometime in the future, with the background and degree that I have, there may be an opportunity for me to work int he United Kingdom. However, I know that there is a legal channel to do so, with the points system that the UK government uses.

Also, I have to prove how I am going to support myself and my family. Because I am an American, I will be expected to have a job lined up and not relying on the British government to provide a handout to me. This same philosophy should apply to all migrants coming into the UK.
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My cousin and her family (husband and 2 children) recently moved to Australia. I think its a pretty similar system over there. Both her and her husband needed to be the right age and have the right skills set in order to get visa's and apply for citizenship. She works with kids with special needs and he works on major TV productions - both had the skills needed to be employed and had work lined up before they moved. Which is how it should be. Immigration only if there is a need for it and the immigrants have the required skill sets in order to benefit the country and not be a burden.

Compare that to the UK, which seemingly has an open door in terms of who can come here and live regardless of skills or if their skill (or lack of them) are needed. (Obviously we are slightly hindered by EU law when it comes to EU citizens).

I live in a street which is mixed in terms of ownership - I, along with just a couple of others are owner occupiers, whilst the rest are a mix of private rents and local authority. In recent years ALL of the local authority houses have had tenants move in that are non-EU nationals.

Just next door to me is a Kenyan family of Somali origin. Nice pleasant people to speak to. Mum and dad came over from Kenya with 2 boys about 6 years ago. Mum had really good English, dad extremely limited at the time. She didn't work, he worked part time (still does) as a cleaner at a retail park. Then strangely, along came a teenage girl who stayed in Kenya to continue her education rather than come to the UK with mum and dad. Since then a baby girl has added to the numbers. Dad's low paid, part time job manages to pay for a family of 6 along with running a car. Surely benefits will be playing a big part in their lifestyle, in which case I'm sure the amount dad pays in taxes on his wage won't come anywhere near enough to match the amount it costs to prop the family up?

This is what I see as the UK's immigration problem. Mum and dad have no skills that would benefit the UK, but are allowed to come and live here. Had this been the Australia they wouldn't be allowed to become a burden.

posted on 31/12/13

barf^ spot on in a fackin nutshell

comment by Reggie (U13390)

posted on 31/12/13

I think there are other issues too, undercutting of wages is awful, the only people that benefit are the employers, everyone else get's lower down the ladder, businesses that can't afford to pay a reasonable living wage aren't viable and should go under, there is another fallacy where we're told that immigrants do jobs that others refuse to do, which is essentially that we won't do all the horrible jobs, I'm sure that when push comes to shove, all of us would do a job we didn't like if it meant keeping a roof over our heads and food on the table but the real issues again come down to getting a living wage for a days work.

The economy is picking up, wages aren't.

I'm all for the Australian method of requiring that you have means to support yourself and long term gainful employment when you get here, I also don't want to attempt to restrict anyone's right to apply to live here but I do want it controlled correctly and humanely too.

posted on 31/12/13

" To be politically correct means you actually think about what you say and why you say it."

WTF?!??!

being politically correct means you're a mindless sheep who lives in fear of being attacked by very vocal, extremist bullies.

The opinions of a 'PC' sheep are brainless, they are simply the pain avoidance of a marginally evolved primate, nothing more.

posted on 31/12/13

Here's an idea.

Let's give every participant of the Jeremy Kyle Show a one way ticket to either Bulgaria or Romania.

Job done. Or is that idea too PC??

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