What are everyone's thoughts on facing Clough Junior now he's now longer at Derby?
Some of his comments whilst at Derby were completely out of order. For instance "I'd swap all the goals I scored for Forest for three points on Saturday" prior to playing us.
His attitude towards forest is probably based on
1) How Brian's retirement was handled
2) His sour relationship with Billy Davies
Most forest fans were gutted when he went to Derby but could understand given the family history why he accepted the post. His contempt for Forest certainly changed my view of him.
If he has got a gripe with the club he shouldn't have taken it out the fans in my opinion.
I don't wish our old number 9 any harm but for me his legacy as a Forest great has been tarnished by his recent behaviour.
What's everyone's opinion.
Clough Junior
posted on 14/2/14
To be honest his track record as a manager is not that great. He took years to get Burton up (even then he left them in January to go to the Sheep - although they were well clear at the time.
His time at Derby was spent in midtable at best. Steve McLaren took over and even before the loanees came in he got Nigels players playing to their full potential.
I know Sunday is a one off but whatever the result he took over a strugging Blunts team and they have hardly improved in their league form.
posted on 14/2/14
I think he has shown that he is a decent manager. More of a long work in progress, developing young players, lower league players (NLN) etc. if you were a chairman lacking funds and ambition he'd be perfect for you (Derby). He twisted the knife which I can't get my head round. Can remember my first trip to wembley in 89 against Luton when his two goals and MOTM display won us the league cup. He was our top scorer about 5 years on the spin when I was a kid. Second top scorer of all time. Still feel betrayed by him. Can remember him suggesting that Pearce who was U21 manager at the time would recommend players to him when he was at Derby because they were close. He knew how forest fans would feel about that but them discreet digs a lot of the time were designed to get to us. Poor Nigel, poor.
posted on 14/2/14
As far as I remember the only thing he said that was negative towards Forest was the "trade all my goals" quote which surely nobody took seriously? On another occasion he used the phrase "that lot down the road" which again is hardly worthy of the degree of insult that some Forest fans are trying to claim was intended. At the very worst it was just a bit tongue in cheek and it seems churlish in the extreme to me to use this as a stick to continually beat him with. He was a great player for Forest after all. I think it is more to do with the fact that many Forest fans could not possibly believe that he would take a job at Derby having been a Forest player, but that's just naive.
I have no particular axe to grind now that he has left Derby, so this is just an opinion. He has had some negative things to say about the way he was sacked by Derby, which I understand although I think he was also lucky in many ways to have kept his job for so long. Often at Derby I felt he was a bit too honest when he should have kept quiet, about players particularly, but that's the way he is. I never felt that he intended any disrespect to Forest. I think he's a good lad at heart.
posted on 14/2/14
Good debate but...
.....Woody still pedalling the unsubstantiated line:-
"Lets not forget he was snubbed by the club i think twice for the vacant managers job and that was the job he really wanted. Thank God he didnt get it."
That's just silly Woody and you know it. You cannot just keep repeating something to make it true.
On Clough's real comments, look, it's football and as Vidal says, there is no loyalty. Comments made by Nigel were all too often (to me anyway) tongue in cheek and all this sanctimonious clap-trap about how dreadful his utterings were are just hysterical over-reaction.
posted on 14/2/14
There was a few things Vidal that came across in sound bits, a couple where he had no reason to bring them up. I think one of them was inference that we hadn't made an effort to get a game on when it was snowing and icy. We wasn't even playing each other at the time so there was no need.
posted on 14/2/14
There is a possibility that Sheffield United could be at the same level as Burton Albion next season, that would be a little amusing
posted on 14/2/14
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posted on 14/2/14
comment by ir-REV-erend (U18331)
posted 5 minutes ago
Lastapostletotally agree with what you say
However, even knowing and believing that, I still find it hard to have any time for the guy...which as I say, is sad, cos he should have been a Forest Legend...and for many, he just isn't
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Honest
posted on 14/2/14
comment by ManiReniSquireBrownRed (U19207)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
I think Billy did once say that he'd wished he'd got Preston promoted rather than Derby. #pureclass.
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The Derby fans twist the truth. They try and make out that Billy said it in a post match interview after the play off final.
Fact is he said it in an interview with The Lancashire Evening Post when he was no longer at Derby.
http://www.lep.co.uk/sport/davies-it-should-have-been-north-end-1-63969
Reads to me as though he is expressing regret at not getting Preston promoted, rather than having a dig at Derby.
posted on 14/2/14
This makes an interesting read in the Guardian ( 666) about the rivalry between the two managers
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/feb/13/sheffield-united-nigel-clough-brian-clough-fa-cup-billy-davies-nottingham-forest