I saw an article on here a couple of days ago by Ronny Van Bantz called "Things that upset you" and my good self and various other Bods all put up various things about this game that get to us.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/279783
It set me thinking that there is actually something else that is right underneath all our noses that frankly goes completely off the end of the scale in terms of upsetting or frustrating all of us, even years after it actually happens. It's not even very complicated and is encapsulated in two simple words "Expectation Levels".
Have you ever noticed that the things that hurt the most are when our teams ALMOST achieve our dreams (but then don't). It's like chasing a woman and thinking that you're going to get it and then you don't or so they tell me .
When our teams are languishing in mid-table without a potential trophy to be seen anywhere or worse still, stuck in a lower Division for years with no sign of parole, and getting humped 0-6 by the likes of Rotherham, it hurts but you do become de-sensitized to it and just accept that the team are pants and do get over the numerous reverses quite easily, but God forbid you almost achieve something remarkable, but then have your hopes dashed for whatever reason like an apparent bent Ref or Lino, the wrong side of a post or criminal piece of luck etc. can leave you with a strong sense of frustration or injustice (rightly or wrongly).
As a Chelsea fan the things that still get me more than anything are 2 particular games. Moscow 2008 when Terry steps up only needing to score to win the Champions League, slips but sends Van der Saar the wrong way, but it hits the post on the wrong side and stays out. Man United were up on offer at that point and almost powerless to prevent the result, but fate decreed that it was not to be. If we had lost the game in normal time or on pens but had been trailing all the time, it would not have hurt half as much, as false hopes would not have been raised.
The other game is the notorious game at the Bridge against Barca in 2009 when incidents occurred that should have resulted in a penalty (or more depending on how you saw it) but didn't. Once again if our hopes had not been raised like that then the result now wouldn't grate half as much as it does.
I can empathise what it must have been like for Spurs fans when in 2012 they justifiably qualified for the Champions League and then were deprived of it by us unusually winning the competition and excluding them from it. I would imagine that not qualifying at all would have been far less painful for them than how it panned out.
Looking back at last season if Liverpool had comfortably finished 5th or 4th without ever having a tilt at the title their fans would have been content with that but, going so close and looking nailed-on at one point must leave them with a sense of frustration of what might have been. It would be only natural. City by comparison had probably thought that their moment had gone and felt quite humbled when in the end they won it.
The point of the article is that IMO raising expectation levels at any Club is a dangerous, insidious, intoxicating heady brew that can creep up on all of us and then leave us badly depressed if we dare to come up short. You almost wonder whether it would be preferable to miss something by a mile, than be given a tantalising taste of something and then have it snatched away at the last minute.
Let's face it expectation levels are a killer to all of us. The further up a tree you climb before falling, the more it hurts when you hit the bottom.
What do other fans think of this delicious sickness?
What the real killer actually is
posted on 13/8/14
Mr C I appreciate what he did for us, but his overall tenure is so sugarcoated it's hilarious, he barely got any stick for 10/11 which is utterly mind blowing, yes the board might not have helped but some of his tactics and decisions were mind blowing.
Even the double season we faced a fair few obstacles, Iremember after ythe Spurs game (when by the way we were incredibly lucky not to have been on the receiving end of scorelines we were dishing out at that time) almost everyone was saying if we held on we would be the worst ever PL champs.
Ill always appreciate his work for the double but that 10/11 season still scars me and Carlo has to take his share of the blame, if we ever had s season like that under Jose, this forum would be like feeding time in theZoo.
posted on 13/8/14
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 13 hours ago
Carlo and Paisley only managers to have ever won the European Cup three times. Carlo will win it again I'm sure.
Top manager, top man.
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I like Carlo but any appraisal should be "warts and all" so let's not forget how he was outwitted in the CL by Jose and then how the following season he outwitted himself in the CL agst United.
posted on 13/8/14
Summer...........
Last season I was disappointed a lot more by what I saw on the pitch rather than a trophyless season and it will be the same measuring stick for me this season..............I just want to see us improve the quality of our offensive football...
posted on 13/8/14
But we can say that for any manager. Jose was outwitted by Klopp and Simeone in the last 2 years.
posted on 13/8/14
I would say AM were just a better team Mr C.....
but yes of course you can....
however Carlo really cocked up the United games and we lost that down to his selection of Torres over Drogba and that was a big factor in him getting sacked i feel..
posted on 13/8/14
He was getting sacked either way Biggish
Roman turned up for the CL at old trafford (When has he ever done that?) so Carlo had to play Roman's new toy.
I stil find it hard to blame Carlo for anything. Board's fault for me. See our transfers after we won the double. The board went on a cost cutting mission that summer.
posted on 13/8/14
Mr C, Jose had that problem in 2006 but our season didn't go completely to crap, Benny was handed an unbalanced squad without good enough strikers or CM's but still worked with it and furfilled his objective (top 3) and the bonus (Cup win).
Carlo may not have been helped by the board but he didn't help himself, especially naming lineups in press conferences every time, surely such an experienced manager would see the advantage he was giving, no?
I think 3 groups deserve most of the blame for that season, Carlo, the board and the midfielders and forwards.
posted on 13/8/14
Kings.
Jose has given line ups in press conferences before.
Carlo's 2nd season we finished 2nd in the league.without a functioning attack and midfield.
Carlo's objective was to win the CL in that 2nd season. The board gave him a good helping hand by stripping his team down the summer before
We can pick out single games for each and every single manager and say he was tactially naive there and there and there. All I know is, you arent a tactically naive manager if you have won the CL 3 times and a league title in every country bar the current one he's in right now.. Give Carlo a good team and he'll bring home the goods. Just like Jose wants. A good team to win the league..
posted on 13/8/14
Mr C - spot on
posted on 13/8/14
Jose away at Stoke last season got it horribly wrong