Changes to seeding system

AFL

I suppose we should. Given the financial doping that has been given by membership of the cartel, it is the only way someone else could get a look in. We are very lucky, as lucky as all the other clubs that have had laughably huge sums out of membership of the club. Supporters of teams like Newcastle, West Brom etc. that will never get a look in have been hard done by indeed, no wonder existing beneficiaries want the system to ensure they get out of the group stages every year.

I wonder where arsenal would be if a rich owner hadn't used his money not the clubs to buy Viera and Berkamp?

To the arsenal fans on here, do you think the seeding system is due an overhaul just because of city.

Or could it be as simple as it's flawed and they can see that and it's nothing to do with us.

Please if you can answer objectively and leave you're hatred of us out of it.

If you can

Inconvenient facts series No 2 Loz, it isn't fair, they are mainly too young/too blinkered to be aware of that series.

Funny, City fans mostly accept we have been lucky beneficiaries of a system that allowed such things, g ooners mainly can't do the same.

No city fan can deny we won big with the take over

I am yet to meet one.

The bitterness from some is music to my ears.

If Liverpool had won the league last year you would have them in pot 1 ahead of City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Juve, Barcelona, Madrid etc despite not being in the CL the 5 years before that?

There is no perfect way to do this me thinks.

comment by Mamba - Here's one for you to suck on - Real Sosobad (U1282) (U13041)
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If Liverpool had won the league last year you would have them in pot 1 ahead of City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Juve, Barcelona, Madrid etc despite not being in the CL the 5 years before that?<br abp="350"><br abp="351">There is no perfect way to do this me thinks.
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exactly, if another City/Chel ski emerge and purchase their league title you have another team with little European pedigree in pot 1

this will devalue the competition as you don't even have to perform well in it to be seeded its pathetic really. City can fail to get out the group stages again and focus on the league win it and get seeded

It is the Champions League, so yes, if City don't win it, and don't win the PL they shouldn't be seeded pot 1.

A team endlessly failing in the League, pocketing the CL Cartel millions for sneaking in via qualifying, getting an easy draw via seeding, thus ensuring they get out of the group and pick up more Cartel points devalues a 'competition'.

If the aim of the whole season is to qualify for a competition you don't really have a go at winning seems faintly daft to me. We need different teams entering, and getting out of the group, not the same names every year. Might as well have a Euro Super League with no relegation. Lucrative but boring, suit some teams perfectly.

I still don't understand why they call it the Champions League when the also-rans get priority over actual Champions.

Surely, it's an indication that something is wrong with the current seeding if a team that hasn't won it's own domestic league for some time continues to be top-seeded?