New contracts for Giroud and Arteta

And you Jenius want Wenger to sign so called world class players only of their reputation. Is there a guarantee that Falcao will outscore everyone in the PL League? This is not FIFA on your computer.

In that case why aren't Arsenal doing the same? We have £170m+ in the reserves to in act far worse. Why didn't we just pay Carvalho's release clause instead of throwing in Joel Campbell in the deal to reduce the fee in the last minute?

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Don't know the ins and outs on this deal so hard to comment but which option leaves us the most money. I'd have thought selling Campbell outright, given his world cup. But Wenger obviously decided he isn't keeping JC so either way doesn't he kill two birds with one stone? He gets rid of JC and brings in a high quality player we need. Contract dead-weight replaced with quality. Ok we have to wait but if it's a done deal, it's one less player to worry about on both fronts. Doesn't particularly seem a bad move to me but as I said, not entirely sure how the deal's working. I'm tired of last minute disappointment so pay little or no attention to who we're "Going to get" until I see them signed and in an Arsenal shirt. One other thing, I think AW is incredibly particular about whom he brings in. Probably too much so.

I think it's a bit unfair to compare what SAF achieved in his time with what Wenger has achieved. SAF had a much stronger squad for the majority of the time. As someone pointed out on another thread a couple of days ago, when we were kicking butt, being the invincibles WE had the best and strongest squad in the league. We now how a squad that is a bit better than averagecompared to our main rivals so it's unrealistic to expect us to compete to the same level.

Would SAF have still have achieved what he did at Utd if he'd been unable to spend any money on players for 7-8 years of his time. No, is the answer. Utd bought and bought and bought. And then needed bailing out to the tune of half a billion pounds by a squad of bankers. Yes SAF was successful but he left Man U on the verge of bankruptcy to do it. You can't fairly compare the two when one got to spend half a billion quid, the club never had, over his time and the other wasn't allowed to spend any money he never had. How is that fair?

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NOW we are discussing Wenger

SAF had a much stronger squad for the majority of the time.
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And who is responsible for player recruitment? I won't get into this debate as it is pointless. Moyes and Van Gaal have done nothing with Fergie's premier league winning squad.

There is a major problem with player recruitment and retention of the wrong players. The idea of renewing the squad continually with new players and so improving the quality in the team is necessary window by window. But when you do that there is only a small period of time to move players who fall out of grace and Wenger dithers. Just like he dithers when recruiting. It shows someone who is not sure anymore because fundamentally he is not recognising who is contributing and who is not. Arteta and Giroud contracts just exemplify this in a very stark way. There is no common sense or business point of view for what Wenger has done. Like I have said. I will be very happy next summer if Wenger is able to shift Giroud for a better striker. I doubt this will happen and whoever comes at the end of next season to replace Wenger is going to be lumbered with a lot of deadwood.

Jenius has finally had enough, gunnerthru your defence of Wenger is a hypothetical situation where he signs a world class player like Falcao who proceeds to flop?

I am not against Wenger. I recognise his shortcomings and want him to move upstairs to a place on the board. I trust the board far less than I do Wenger. I think his judgement on players will be very different if he views it from the directors box and where he has that separation from the dressing room.

In my opinion a new coach with fresh tactics is necessary.

I am not against Wenger.

In my opinion a new coach with fresh tactics is necessary.
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I think that's part of the problem, if you want a new manager people assume your against Wenger and defend him virulently as they think its a personal attack when most of the people who want a change just want what's best for the club.

I think that's part of the problem, if you want a new manager people assume your against Wenger and defend him virulently as they think its a personal attack when most of the people who want a change just want what's best for the club.

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Not at all. Jenius and I have discussed Wenger many times and several of them Jenius has expressed his wish to see someone else in charge. However I don't consider him a mindless Wenger Out brigade member.

It is not the wish to see Wenger replaced that I find objectionable. It's the total dismissal of his achievements and the slating of him as though he's the Spurs manager. Jenius is also able to express his opinion without insulting somebody simply because they disagree with him (not that he doesn't throw the odd insult).

Contrast that with your obnoxious constant insulting of anybody who dares to say Wenger shouldn't be sacked. It's your attitude and how you express your opinion that is the problem. Or at least the problem I have with posters like yourself and what you have to say.

Contrast that with your obnoxious constant insulting of anybody who dares to say Wenger shouldn't be sacked. It's your attitude and how you express your opinion that is the problem. Or at least the problem I have with posters like yourself and what you have to say.
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I disagree I may appear obnoxious but I'm not sure about the insulting part although recently I care less about articulating my point and just saying what I feel in regards to Wenger and his fan boys.
I would of appreciated your last post more if it wasn't littered with insults as it makes you come off as a hypocrite.

I disagree I may appear obnoxious but I'm not sure about the insulting part although recently I care less about articulating my point and just saying what I feel in regards to Wenger and his fan boys.
I would of appreciated your last post more if it wasn't littered with insults as it makes you come off as a hypocrite.

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Point taken, I apologise, I feel similar but in regard to being called/treated like a fanboy just because I happen to genuinely believe this was always a 10 year job/plan and we're not too far off schedule if off at all. I'm not blindly following him I'm just not as mad as the rest of you yet.

Another thing which has just come to my mind regarding wenger and the players he buys. He seems to only buy players that he's 99% confident that he can mould them into the way he wants them to be. A player who won't ever question him or grow bigger than the team and because he did have that socialist wage structure, his techniques to manage come straight outta the textbook hence maybe why he doesn't want to upset the team dynamic by signing anyone who puts themselves before the team. If you look at van persie song nasri cesc., wenger has clearly felt that once they've ventured outside of the arsenal circle they're never gna come back. Maybe this explains the refusla to buy cesc. He does seem reluctant to buy anyone who might even pose the slightest of problem in the dressing room. It looks like that wenger will sacrifice the teams chances of success if it means he has a group of players who are fully under his control