Is anybody else annoyed by all the talk over the lack of black managers in the English game? It's almost like every week a new pundit or ex player speaks out about it like there's some sort of discrimination going on.
There's a pretty simple answer for it in my opinion. The black managers that have come along haven't been very good. That, and the fact that for some reason black players don't seem as interested in going into coaching when they retire. I've seen Paul Ince and Chris Hughton get deservedly sacked multiple times, although the latter did look good in his early days at Newcastle. And more recently Seedorf was let go after only 4 months because he clearly had no clue what he was doing.
And what's this talk of the Rooney Rule? Apparently Crooks and Ince are advocating implementing a rule that would ensure a black manager is included in the shortlist for a managerial vacancy, regardless of whether their accomplishments actually earned them the place. Is that not just blatant racism?
Anyways, Admins multiboard please, I'd like to see if anyone on here actually supports talk of that rule
Black Managers
posted on 3/10/14
Winston, there are very few qualified black managers in the first place. Why should all 30 qulaified, black managers be employed and the 400 or 500 (I don't know these statistics by the way, these are estimates based on vague memories from the various threads this week) be overlooked so that 100% of black managers are in jobs, and a tiny percentage of white?
posted on 3/10/14
Robben van Persie - He Schcores When He Wantsh (U1145)
I'm sorry if this seems rude, but is no one reading my posts?
Why is the focus on chairmen choosing the existing black managers over white managers?
Has no one stopped to think that perhaps the problem starts earlier than that?
What I mean is; why are there only 30 qualified black managers and 500 white managers?
Racism and prejudice is not just about one person not choosing someone based on his skin colour.
posted on 3/10/14
Winston, I agree my good man. As I have said on countless threads this week.
The lack of black pro coaches/managers is due to the lack of ex-pros taking their qualifications.
As we've discussed at length, the number of black players in the game now should not reflect the number of qualified black coaches - it will filter through in the next 10 years or so, I believe
posted on 3/10/14
Robben van Persie - He Schcores When He Wantsh (U1145)
Possibly, but as we saw yesterday, the numbers didn't really tally.
I have long since said that people need to recognise that this country is still recovering from historical prejudice.
Even if we eliminated racial prejudice entirely, we would still be left with communities that suffer from a disadvantage, due to historical events.
It's my opinion that those issues are the ones that see less black people into politics, banking, football management etc. - more so than actual prejudice in the workplace.
posted on 3/10/14
OK, anyway. I think all that can be said on the subject, has been.
posted on 3/10/14
"I'm sorry if this seems rude, but is no one reading my posts?"
You seem to be saying the same thing over and over, if anything you don't appear to be reading other peoples replies.
"Even if we eliminated racial prejudice entirely, we would still be left with communities that suffer from a disadvantage, due to historical events."
'Communities that suffer from a disadvantage, due to historical events' have nothing to do with skin colour - there are places like that everywhere, you have to either be very lucky, hard working or clever (generally all three) to get out of them.
posted on 3/10/14
HenrysCat (U3608)
That cannot be the case if it's a direct reply to me, which fails to address the point I have made.
"'Communities that suffer from a disadvantage, due to historical events' have nothing to do with skin colour"
Completely incorrect.
I have used South Africa as an extreme example, and the UK is effectively further along the same curve, albeit not as steep a curve.
posted on 3/10/14
Completely incorrect? No it's not. I could take you to any number of estates/villages around the country where the majority are not black, and they have little or no chance of 'getting out'. Whilst I have no doubt there are estates where the majority are black in the same boat, it is not exclusivey down to their skin colour and to say it is helps no-one.
With all due respect, your example of South Africa is offensive and stupid, things went on there (and still do go on) that have never come close to happening in this country. Ever.
posted on 3/10/14
HenrysCat (U3608)
It's incorrect not for that reason.
I didn't say that there are not communities where the majority are non-black, which fall into that category.
But that's not relevant to my point.
Generally, you'll find that the black population has a far higher degree that fall into that category, because of historical prejudices that affect their family/community.
I did not claim it was exclusive.
The example of SA is not stupid.
It's stupid to think I mean they're exactly the same though.
The history of black people in the UK dates back to a time where a black person would either be enslaved, or live in great poverty.
From 1840-1940, Britain's native policy was dominated by racism.
Without going into a boring amount of detail, what we're saying is that there are black people alive today, who started from a quite shocking position in life.
Changing the law doesn't change that fact.
What it does do, is give people an equal opportunity in life, and education etc. helps to bring black people onto an equal footing with other communities.
But that process will take centuries.
So yes, there are some general similarities to be drawn with a situation that SA are still in the very early days of, whilst of course being a different scenario entirely.
posted on 3/10/14
"Its like there's some sort of discrimination going on."
Op, you've got to be white, that's why issue of discrimination is a misnomer to you. Please educate yourself by researching this term "institutionalised racism."
I'll accept your apology in good grace.