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comment by Di Maria's Left Foot - Emily Ratajkowski's Bum (U11781)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Di Maria's Left Foot - Emily Ratajkowski's Bum (U11781)
posted 6 minutes ago
How could anyone defend a manager that goes into a football season with SIX defenders in the first team and a terrible injury record to half of themThis Godfather donkey is worse than Robb was with Moyes.
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Why were you desperate for Vermaelen but then didnt sign anyone else when he turned you down. How many senior defenders do you have in you squad? Do you even have 6? You absolute moron
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Rojo, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Blackett, McNair, Rafael and Shaw. Carrick and Blind also have roles in defence with injuries. So I would say we have more than six by my count, fücking crusty old mug.
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you absolute clown. So you say we only have six defenders, obviously leaving out youngsters like bellerin and hayden but then have the gall to include the likes of blackett Mcnair, and include midfielders in your poverty list etc to add insult to injury they are all absolutely pony and nowhere near the level of the likes of Kos debuchy etc. Even an out of form mertesacker would walk into your team

According to your list you have six senior defenders. That's if i include Shaw as a senior in which case we have six too has I would include Chambers who, like Shaw, has played for his country. For your two youth defenders blackett and Mcnair we have bellerin and hayden and whoever else you want to pluck out of the youth team. We have flamini and coq who can play in defense like the mighty Carrick and blind.

So in conclusion my statement that you are a moron was 100% accurate

Smalling
Phil 'Baresi' Jones
Evans

United had 3 senior center backs in the Summer + Carrick who is very competent there, then they went and signed Rojo. Their depth there is incredible compared to ourselves. On Arab's list, he did not mention the likes of Rafael, Shaw, Valencia, Young and Blind who can all play in the wing back positions.

So to conclude they actually have 10 players who are very comfortable in defensive positions plus 2 youngsters who can play there too. As opposed to ourselves who only have 6 players to cover 4 positions, 1 of which is a kid and another being a poorly managed crock.

The funny thing is despite United's strength in depth, a lot of their fans are very unhappy with their defensive situation. It really puts in perspective the losing mentality the AKB have.

Effectively six points off us as we play at Old Trafford.

comment by Genius at work, his name is Thierry Henry (U18355)
posted 27 minutes ago
United had 3 senior center backs in the Summer + Carrick who is very competent there, then they went and signed Rojo. Their depth there is incredible compared to ourselves. On Arab's list, he did not mention the likes of Rafael, Shaw, Valencia, Young and Blind who can all play in the wing back positions.

So to conclude they actually have 10 players who are very comfortable in defensive positions plus 2 youngsters who can play there too. As opposed to ourselves who only have 6 players to cover 4 positions, 1 of which is a kid and another being a poorly managed crock.

The funny thing is despite United's strength in depth, a lot of their fans are very unhappy with their defensive situation. It really puts in perspective the losing mentality the AKB have.
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Are you drunk?

He already mentioned practically all the players you did.

I'll repeat for you in simple terms to help

United senior defenders:
Smalling, Jones, Evans, Rojo, Rafael, Shaw = 6

Arsenal senior defenders
Mertesacker, Kos, Gibbs, Monreal, Debuchy, Chambers = 6

United youth who have been involved im 1st team this year: Mcnair Blackett = 2

Arsenal youth who have been involved in 1st team. Bellerin Hayden Ajayi = 3

united auxiliary defender players: Carrick, Blind Young Valencia = 4

Arsenal: Coq, Flamini Ramsey = 3

In terms of numbers we are pretty similar, hence why for this clown to come on our board laughing at our defensive situation is rich

In terms of quality, all three of their centre backs are inferior to Kos and Merte I'd personally rate debuchy and Gibbs above shaw and Rafael but that is a closer run thing

How have you come to the conclusion that they have some kind of mighty strength in depth in defense?

Why do all these people who hate the club they support always big up our rivals and go ott? Why do you actually support Arsenal if you want to champion united so much?

Godfather

Forget the other sides for a second because it isn't about them. How can you possibly think going into a season with 6 recognised defenders in 4 competitions is acceptable? It is utterly scandalous. One of which has an Achilles problem which our manager knew about & did nothing about, the other is a 19 year old kid thrown straight into the deep end playing in an unfamiliar position. Added to the fact we always seem to get an excessive amount of injuries, the lack of reinforcement in defence makes even less sense.

As for Flamini and Ramsey being auxiliary players, I hope you're taking the mick because Flamini is not good enough and Ramsey is a central midfielder, we have never ever started him as a defender and even if we did, that is just pure desperation. Quantity doesn't mean quality.

What you're also forgetting is the United players that have been used as utility are used to the positions they've been put in because they have experience playing there before. Carrick is a decent last resort centre back because he can play the ball out with his feet, is a good tackler and reads the game well. That is understandable in a crisis situation. Trying to equate that to playing a second choice left back at centre half because the club decided against buying a centre back is just ludicrous, frankly. Besides, Evans, Smalling, Jones and Rojo are all naturally centrally defensive players. We only have Koscielny & Mertesacker. Big, big differences.

Samir

I only inluded Flamini and Ramsey, because the manc and the plastic gooner above have included midfielders to boost their flawed arguement that somehow United have much better defensive cover than us. That "Di maria left foot" moron comes steaming on here talking about how someone has to be mad to defend someone who goes into a season with 6 defenders whilst not even realising his own team only has 6 senior defenders . Unlike united we actually have had the depth in defence to to have not had to use midfielders as defenders for years, but both Ramsey and Flamini have played there before

Why do you rate Carrick as a decent last resort defender, but then deride Wenger for playing players out of position? Debuchy looked absolutely fine cb. To be honest Monreal outshone Per on many occasions at cb. We were all secretly happy when he replaced Chambers with Monreal at cb against QPR but no one wanted to admit that Wenger got it right playing him there rather than playing Chambers before. I was calling for another cb to be bought and was mistified we didnt but at end of day Monreal has done a decent job in that position, probably not much better or worse than any back up we would have bought, but obviously not up to the standard of our first choice best defender Kos.

The whole "i cant believe we went into the season with 6 senior defenders covering 4 positions" Is just another arguement that has been twisted to suit the media agenda against arsenal and as usual our gullible fans eat it up and use it to attack the club they apparently support

The truth on numbers of senior defenders:

Chelsea:
Azp
Luis
Terry
Cahill
Zouma
Ivanovic
= 6

United: as menitonned = 6

Arsenal = 6

I dont understand how so many fully grown adults can be brainwashed into believing whatever they are told without using their own brain to analyse. Or perhaps you just perpetuate these myths as they fit in with your agendas. In any case the facts are the facts, if we are being attacked for our negligence in the defensive positions then apply the same arguement to united and Chelsea. Dont start talking about United's "incredible" strength in depth like that moron Genius did.

Yet again all these pages would be avoided if you just pointed to the real issue which is injury to first team players. That is what has cost us and is infinitely more important an influence on our misfortunes than if we had just bought a few more back up players. Most teams should be able to handle one or 2 players out but we have played pretty much the whole season with at least 5 first team players out. If you cant see that as being the main influence on our season then there is no point continuing any discussion

Godfather

First of all, you need to learn to forget about other teams for a second & focus on our one.

I understand what you're saying but the circumstances for each team are different. Chelsea barely get any injuries and that isn't purely down to luck. We could foresee that we would get injuries because it's been happening constantly through the last few years. Monreal playing well at cb is irrelevant. We shouldn't have put ourselves in a position where we have handicapped ourselves by playing a second choice left back at centre half. And frankly, Monreal outshining Per typifies how poorly Per has been performing rather than how well Monreal has done.

The point about Carrick et al was that they have experience playing there as a last resort. They have qualities & experience that can suit that position. But that rarely happens, how many times have we had to deal with players being deployed in unnatural positions on the pitch? Debuchy at centre half as a last resort I can understand (albeit it shouldn't happen), but not Monreal. If we actually bought a natural centre back, we wouldn't be having all these issues. We got rid of Vermaelen so we should have brought someone else in. Is it really that much to ask for?

Your defense of Wenger for not buying a centre back when Koscielny had an Achilles problem & playing a 19 year old - who Wenger has publicly admitted he sees as a future defensive midfielder - is just ridiculous, in my view. We essentially threw a kid with barely any first team football under his belt straight into the deep end without letting him slowly develop his career. Wenger did this to himself. How can you possibly think that is good management?

Injuries ARE a contributing factor, of course they are, but they happen so often that you simply cannot call it bad luck or coincidence. The Debuchy & Walcott injuries were unlucky but most of the others have a root cause and if you go by what medical journalists and ex players have told us, there is something fundamentally wrong with the way we train and it must be addressed.

bad luck doe, oil money doe

Chelsea fans are happy with their depth in defence because they have enough cover as they know they'll stay fit.

United and Arsenal fans aren't happy with the depth, and quality in many cases, of the defence as we know they get injured all the time.

Our issues have been further complicated because of a change in formation, which has seen the need for more midfielders to play in defence, or wing back, and so people are more forgiving of our ridiculous injuries to the defence because in Carrick, Blind, Rojo and Shaw, three of which were signed in the summer, they aren't players that you'd consider injury prone - so allowing for the fact that Rafael, Smalling, Jones and Evans are, we still should have had enough depth.

But that hasn't transpired. This is all with a manager that only just took over in the summer so wasn't exactly in the same position in terms of planning time, or knowledge of his own squad, to plan for the season adequately.

Wenger has had years to build this squad and should know it inside out, as many of your fans do, which is why he's being criticised for leaving you so light.

And Van Gaal is getting criticised for not sorting out defence in the summer anyway, because we aren't happy about it, but there's more mitigating circumstances for the situation we find ourselves in compared to Arsenal, as pointed out.

Arab will be aware of these circumstances, whereas you probably aren't, so he's not exactly in the wrong. He's just not gone into depth on it.