I am a little baffled with the consensus interpretation by NESV’s transfer policy. It is generally reported & accepted that we want to sign young promising players whom we can develop & have the potential for re-sale value. However, the signing of Carroll & that proposed of Henderson leave very little chance of this. What am I on about?
Well OK; firstly, we are not paying for the finished article but potential. But this is always a gamble. I am old enough to remember Mark Kennedy who we signed from Millwall & whom at the time of signing was the British record transfer for a teenager. Who is he? Exactly!
Neither Carroll nor Henderson offers resale value & if they did we wouldn’t want to sell them. Again what am I on about? Firstly if the aforementioned players flop they offer no resale value & we would be extremely lucky to recoup a third of the outlayed fees.
Therefore, we can only sell them if they prove to be successful. And why would we want to do that? English players by & large are overpriced & hence do not tend to move abroad. The only mega money move abroad I can recall is Beckham & this was more to do with image rights than talent
So where does that leave us? Do we sell our best players to our rivals or rather the teams we want to rival i.e. M*ncheSter Utd (sorry for the bad language) & Chavski . Take Torres for instance: bought for 22 million & sold for 50 million after proving to be successful. Alonso is another. It this the model on which we base our transfers & business? Surely not. So where is the logic?
Now I can maybe see the logic behind signing Marveaux. Valued at around 6-7 million, but signed for free. If he is a success, he offers the magic formula i.e resale value. Potentially a decent player & a profit for the businessmen. Job done.
Am I missing something? Are we only looking to buy players we can make a profit on & thereby excluding dozens of world class players on age alone? What is wrong with signing a World Class players of 28 for 10 million? You cannot make a profit but so what? I would rather we keep our successful players.
If somebody has a more enlightened opinion; please do tell:-
NESVs Puzzling Transfer Policy
posted on 7/6/11
I feel that the likes of Henderson (20) and Carroll (22) are great signings, even with the prices that are being paid.
1. We have two players with 5-10 good years ahead of them, and those years will gain back the money paid.
2. There are more and more rules about homegrown player policy, and this is only gonna get more strict.
We may feel that these prices are way too expensive, but in 5 years we will be seeing players go for more then £100m!
posted on 7/6/11
No it was a general consensus!
Some people will tell us that Henderson is not worth £18 million! Some will say it's a good signing!
When you look at what young English players are going for, it's about right!
Chris Smalling - £10 million after a couple of games for Fulham!
Phil Jones - he's being talked around at a price of £16 million!
Jack Rodwell - City, Chelsea and United are all looking at him and his price is around £20 million.
How much would Jack Wiltshire cost?
I'm personally very happy that the owners are prepared to put the money that the club is making back in to the team!
Nearly everyone on here would be made up if we bid £25 million for Eden Hazard, why? He's a young player with bags of potential but he hasn't played in a top league yet. The reason is that the media say everyone wants him!
posted on 7/6/11
PPD.
I think with FIFA trying to implement - or rather force - the 6+5 rule or perhaps a similar watered-down policy, you have raised a very good point.
If a similar rule were to be applied we would undoubtedly have the jump on the teams around us. However, the fees being quoted are huge for players who surely can only be considered as a gamble.
Although Kenny's gambles i.e Shearer etc have proven to be successful in the past.
Cannot ******* wait for next season!!
posted on 7/6/11
RealBrit
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Shouldnt that be, "I was looking for fellow reds opinions on this mata"..
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Aye Got_Better are you trying to be all 'intellectual' now throwing puns about buddy? Ha It's too late for that now.
posted on 7/6/11
What I think Kenny may feel is essential is a good team spirit. A core of young English players will give him that and crucially it is one that he is familiar with and has served him well in the past.
Given some adaptation to the home-grown rule is a possibility then I consider investing in good English players as a sensible move, but only if the lack of width and pace in the team is addressed too,. There would be no point in buying Henderson if we didn't purchase a player who can create and give the team more natural width.
posted on 7/6/11
PPD
This is not intended to contradict your last post but I think the last time we had a core of English players they had too much spirit.
Some of the antics Fowler, Ruddock, McM & co got up to were ridiculous. Remember passing around the coin at throw ins & whoever at the coin at the end had to buy the drinks that night
I think spirit is all well & good but the professionalism the foreign players have brought to out club has moved us on.
I for one hope the two can be successfully fused together.
posted on 7/6/11
You have a good point Brit, but Evans was our manager then, and although we were exciting, he lacked the discipline the squad needed.
Kenny's man management and experience make me believe he is better qualified than Evans to insttill the right kind of spirit.
posted on 8/6/11
Sky Sports have just confirmed that Henderson is now a red!
Medical Wednesday!
posted on 8/6/11
My take on this is that the owners are prepared to gamble, and gamble big, on potential.
They understand that some players won't work out but even if they don't blossom they can be sold on, if they're young enough, and some of the outlay can be recouped.
Say we do spend £20m on Henderson and he turns out to be more a Smicer than a Stevie G.
Sure, we wouldn't get £20m back for him but we'd probably be able to get £8m-£10m for him (see Ryan Babel or Juan Seb Veron).
If, however, he shines then it's money well spent and if he did decide to move on he'd go for more, as an established 27-year-old England international, than we paid for him (see Xabi Alonso).
What they want to avoid is gambling on players in their late 20's or older who, if they don't fit in, would be nigh on impossible to offload for any kind of money (Joe Cole anyone? Anyone?).
posted on 8/6/11
Taras Bulba - good reasoning & good examples.