I think you are half right, the policy is as you said to buy players with a re-sale value but crucially i suspect its just in case they WANT to leave. In the past Mcmanaman and Owen went for pittance and signing players like Poulson and Cole offer little financial reward if they move on.

With the new policy, if say we buy Henderson and he turns out like say Gerrard, then Barca come in for a bid we can say ok, its £40M mate...no freebies here.

The owners have said its not only promosing players that they will buy but players that are qulaity, like Aguero i suspect or as i hope established players like Mata.

I like the policy, i like the young players who are hungry (see spearing, kelly, flanno, robinson etc..did you notice how they buzz around?) and we also have the added value IF they want to leave.

Well I think you are half right so we are three quarters of the way there. We have the opinion of a cynic & an optimist. Anybody else at this wee hour have anything constructive to add?

As usual helmets will be deleted.

RealBrit I would like to compliment you on an excellent,reasoned and weel thought out article.

I don't trate Henderson and don't see where he will fit in your side but that apart you are correct that there is little potential for 'profit' and it is a shame your owners even think that should be a reason to sign any player.
Players should be signed to make the team better and to win trophies not increase their resale value.

I think that no matter what NESV do, some people will moan if we spend money and people will moan if we don't!

What would you say if we bid £20 million for Hazard?

Fantastic or that's to much?

And that balloon head above me is your helmet!!!!

Since you have been so polite I shall have to apologise for calling you a d!ckhead & a t!t on another article which I am assuming you so far have not read. Ha.

Although my insults were in response to a wum which therefore gives me a pass.

KLS

You need to learn to read and then maybe you could respond to the thread instead of just mouthing off things that aren't related to the topic.

The 6+5 rule will undoubtedly be playing a part in the thinking of the club and the manager.

What encourages me is that if the Henderson deal does go through that it will emphasise that the new owners mean business. The lad has talent and good English players will become crucial in the seasons to come.

I see it as forward thinking, but only if more pressing areas of the squad are also addressed this summer.

What 6+5 rule?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/blow-for-blatter-as-eu-rejects-65-plan-to-limit-foreign-players-824091.html

This one?

It's a proposal which may or may not come to fruition, but I believe in principal FIFA have agreed with it.

KLS. I hope the 'some people will moan' comment was not directed at me.

The article was in essence intended to contradict the consensus interpretation of NESVs transfer policy as clearly stated. In my opinion Carroll & Henderson do not fulfill the supposed criteria & I gave what i though was a reasonable argument as to why. I'm aware this does not make me correct.

I am eagerly anticipating the transfer window but not overly impressed by the potential signings. I was looking for fellow reds opinions on this matter.

I suppose my friend we will only know in a month or two!!

@ King Luis Suarez - WUMS will be shot and shot again! (U1695)

Being Belgian I hope LFC will nicely pass on Eden, but keep an eye on Genk's goalie Thibault Courtois instead. Just 19, 6ft5. Reflex his middle name. The new Van Der Sar. Only better.

BTW: Excellent article, OP.


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Shouldnt that be, "I was looking for fellow reds opinions on this mata"..

I feel that the likes of Henderson (20) and Carroll (22) are great signings, even with the prices that are being paid.

1. We have two players with 5-10 good years ahead of them, and those years will gain back the money paid.

2. There are more and more rules about homegrown player policy, and this is only gonna get more strict.

We may feel that these prices are way too expensive, but in 5 years we will be seeing players go for more then £100m!

No it was a general consensus!

Some people will tell us that Henderson is not worth £18 million! Some will say it's a good signing!

When you look at what young English players are going for, it's about right!

Chris Smalling - £10 million after a couple of games for Fulham!

Phil Jones - he's being talked around at a price of £16 million!

Jack Rodwell - City, Chelsea and United are all looking at him and his price is around £20 million.

How much would Jack Wiltshire cost?

I'm personally very happy that the owners are prepared to put the money that the club is making back in to the team!

Nearly everyone on here would be made up if we bid £25 million for Eden Hazard, why? He's a young player with bags of potential but he hasn't played in a top league yet. The reason is that the media say everyone wants him!

PPD.

I think with FIFA trying to implement - or rather force - the 6+5 rule or perhaps a similar watered-down policy, you have raised a very good point.

If a similar rule were to be applied we would undoubtedly have the jump on the teams around us. However, the fees being quoted are huge for players who surely can only be considered as a gamble.

Although Kenny's gambles i.e Shearer etc have proven to be successful in the past.

Cannot ******* wait for next season!!

RealBrit
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Shouldnt that be, "I was looking for fellow reds opinions on this mata"..

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Aye Got_Better are you trying to be all 'intellectual' now throwing puns about buddy? Ha It's too late for that now.

What I think Kenny may feel is essential is a good team spirit. A core of young English players will give him that and crucially it is one that he is familiar with and has served him well in the past.

Given some adaptation to the home-grown rule is a possibility then I consider investing in good English players as a sensible move, but only if the lack of width and pace in the team is addressed too,. There would be no point in buying Henderson if we didn't purchase a player who can create and give the team more natural width.

PPD

This is not intended to contradict your last post but I think the last time we had a core of English players they had too much spirit.

Some of the antics Fowler, Ruddock, McM & co got up to were ridiculous. Remember passing around the coin at throw ins & whoever at the coin at the end had to buy the drinks that night

I think spirit is all well & good but the professionalism the foreign players have brought to out club has moved us on.

I for one hope the two can be successfully fused together.

You have a good point Brit, but Evans was our manager then, and although we were exciting, he lacked the discipline the squad needed.

Kenny's man management and experience make me believe he is better qualified than Evans to insttill the right kind of spirit.

Sky Sports have just confirmed that Henderson is now a red!

Medical Wednesday!

My take on this is that the owners are prepared to gamble, and gamble big, on potential.
They understand that some players won't work out but even if they don't blossom they can be sold on, if they're young enough, and some of the outlay can be recouped.
Say we do spend £20m on Henderson and he turns out to be more a Smicer than a Stevie G.
Sure, we wouldn't get £20m back for him but we'd probably be able to get £8m-£10m for him (see Ryan Babel or Juan Seb Veron).
If, however, he shines then it's money well spent and if he did decide to move on he'd go for more, as an established 27-year-old England international, than we paid for him (see Xabi Alonso).
What they want to avoid is gambling on players in their late 20's or older who, if they don't fit in, would be nigh on impossible to offload for any kind of money (Joe Cole anyone? Anyone?).

Taras Bulba - good reasoning & good examples.