Belgium Hotspurs

comment by Just H (U9129)
posted 5 minutes ago
"We signed Chadli to offer width from the wings,"


No we didn't, we signed him to play as a inside forward who's job is to cut in and score goals. Width in our formation is the job of the full backs.
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The full backs can't offer width themselves, they have to work with the winger (or inside forward)whichever name you want to assign, but Chadlis general play has been medicore and he wasn't signed to offer medicore general play as for most of the game he goes missing and its only his knack of scoring which has been a surprise.

But when Chadli was signed, Bale was still at the club and the idea was for Chadli to operate from the wing offering width while allowing Bale to continue in a free central role, and also interchange with Bale, but in the end Bale moved on.

comment by Patr1ck (U20532)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Just H (U9129)
posted 5 minutes ago
"We signed Chadli to offer width from the wings,"


No we didn't, we signed him to play as a inside forward who's job is to cut in and score goals. Width in our formation is the job of the full backs.
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The full backs can't offer width themselves, they have to work with the winger (or inside forward)whichever name you want to assign, but Chadlis general play has been medicore and he wasn't signed to offer medicore general play as for most of the game he goes missing and its only his knack of scoring which has been a surprise.

But when Chadli was signed, Bale was still at the club and the idea was for Chadli to operate from the wing offering width while allowing Bale to continue in a free central role, and also interchange with Bale, but in the end Bale moved on.


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So if Bale moved on and consequently Chadli began scoring, how does that remotely resemble a failure?

Players adapt and change in style to be more productive. Ronaldo has given up on tricks and flair to become more productive and a better finisher.

Sorry, but your opinion and reasoning for Chadli is silly. I wont even bother explaining any further as to why.

comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Patr1ck (U20532)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Just H (U9129)
posted 5 minutes ago
"We signed Chadli to offer width from the wings,"


No we didn't, we signed him to play as a inside forward who's job is to cut in and score goals. Width in our formation is the job of the full backs.
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The full backs can't offer width themselves, they have to work with the winger (or inside forward)whichever name you want to assign, but Chadlis general play has been medicore and he wasn't signed to offer medicore general play as for most of the game he goes missing and its only his knack of scoring which has been a surprise.

But when Chadli was signed, Bale was still at the club and the idea was for Chadli to operate from the wing offering width while allowing Bale to continue in a free central role, and also interchange with Bale, but in the end Bale moved on.


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So if Bale moved on and consequently Chadli began scoring, how does that remotely resemble a failure?

Players adapt and change in style to be more productive. Ronaldo has given up on tricks and flair to become more productive and a better finisher.

Sorry, but your opinion and reasoning for Chadli is silly. I wont even bother explaining any further as to why.
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You have repeated my comments regarding the positive aspect of a individual developing into a player that wasn't predicted so all you have done is attempted to pick up on the failure remark, which was solely regarding aspects of his play, rather then his contribution as a whole so pay attention if you want to try and comment, especially as I'm not claiming Chadli to be a failure overall, I'm looking at his overall contribution and his general play has been average and there are still question marks if he can continue his form in terms of goals/assists.

I sort of get your point, sort of.

But at the same time, he was a better player for us in his second season than he was in the first. So I don't think that it's more likely he'll decline. If anything, I'd say it's more likely he'll carry on improving.

Not sure he was ever supposed to be an out and out winger but I could be wrong.

comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 32 seconds ago
I sort of get your point, sort of.

But at the same time, he was a better player for us in his second season than he was in the first. So I don't think that it's more likely he'll decline. If anything, I'd say it's more likely he'll carry on improving.

Not sure he was ever supposed to be an out and out winger but I could be wrong.
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Chadli could improve, I'm not disputing that, but if he doesn't improve on his end product and all we see is a player with mediocre general play and a lack of end product then I would view him as a failure.

Dembele was outstanding at first and then his form declined.

Verts was outstanding at first and then his form declined.

Yes Chadli had a good second season but he could decline, there is no guarantee he will improve and also we don't know if Pochettino views him as first choice for next season.

Haha I've just realised that it was you I was talking to about the same thing with Kane / defence on the other article

Dembele and Verts frustrate me a lot. Both have massive potential, both have no consistency.

Patr1ck,

Yes, but are they better? I can see what the club and Pochettino are trying to do, by signing two defenders with PL experience and a highly regarded defender from abroad.

Just, there is more chance wimmer will be no better then Fazio or chiriches and Toby is worse then Verts and Tripper is worse then Naughton.

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I agree with you about Wimmer, I know nothing about him and I have previously voiced my concerns on buying defenders based on the fact they play for, or have captained, their country – and Chiriches and Fazio are good examples of this. However, Trippier was an ex-City graduate and moved for his own progression and I think he proved with Burnley he can play against the best. I appreciate Burnley went down but people can still recognise he did his job well.

And Alderweireld is simply an upgrade on all our CBs. Vertonghen – average, Dier – still learning, Chiriches – toilet, Fazio – toilet, Kaboul – hopefully on his way out. So this can only be good for our defence...

Patr1ck,

You're putting a positive spin on all your points and we have been here before,. same happened when we signed Lamela, Paulinho and Soldado.

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I know this was aimed at Greaves – not me, but those players you mention were not Premiership proven which I think is the key. And I never put a positive spin on anything regarding those players – I post from what I witness first hand and none of those players deserve any positivity.

Patr1ck

We signed Chadli to offer width from the wings, he wasn't signed to offer goals and assists in the manner that he does, its been a welcome surprise and no one predicted he would produce to the level he has.

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I’m sorry but the only things I did know about Chadli was that he was quick and he scored a lot of goals from the wing – so he was 100% signed to provide some of the goals we would miss from Bale’s sale.

I respect you for having an individual view on this subject – this is what we need on the boards – but in this instance I couldn’t disagree more.

comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 23 minutes ago
Haha I've just realised that it was you I was talking to about the same thing with Kane / defence on the other article

Dembele and Verts frustrate me a lot. Both have massive potential, both have no consistency.
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I may well have called that wrong and if this is the player the club signed, in terms of what to expect then all credit to them as if Chadli does improve then we have found an outstanding talent.

I still have an issue with his general play as he doesn't do much for the entire game, in terms of team play but of course has provided the team with goals/assists, so he is in danger of becoming a luxury player as aside from his end product he practically offers nothing to the team and thats why I still have question marks over his future as to if he can sustain his end product.