Cheque Please!!

"You clearly believe that whether history defines someone "Great" is purely a matter of numbers."

Nonsense. That's a strawman. It's not PURELY a matter of numbers, but numbers are the most objective, factual measure. Everything else is disputable hot air and arguments can be twisted to suit the agenda. I'm not sure how anyone can seriously with a straight face argue against Maureen's status as an all-time great. Seems ludicrous to me.

Because you have no idea what I'm talking about when I say great success is not the sole requirement for greatness.

You say a football manager can be deemed great whilst never having created first team players from the youth team at the club where he's had the most success.

I say that one factor alone prevents him truly being "great" Because as the manager of a football club, DOING THAT is a basic aspect of your job. So you tell me exactly how somebody can be considered one of the greatest ever at a job, when they've never actually done that job properly as they've missed one of it's most fundamental elements?

Jose and the Cfc ozone destroyers are socially irresponsible, he is the worst manager ever

No, just not one of the greatest

"Because you have no idea what I'm talking about when I say great success is not the sole requirement for greatness."

Again, nobody has said that. But it is the single greatest determinant factor. Quit the strawman distortions.

"You say a football manager can be deemed great whilst never having created first team players from the youth team at the club where he's had the most success.

I say that one factor alone prevents him truly being "great" Because as the manager of a football club, DOING THAT is a basic aspect of your job. So you tell me exactly how somebody can be considered one of the greatest ever at a job, when they've never actually done that job properly as they've missed one of it's most fundamental elements?"

How many first team players have been brought through from our academy under Wenger - an academy that he has had 20 facking years to develop? I can think of Cole, and at a push, Wilshere and Gibbs who aren't starters. 3 players in almost 20 years. And that is what you base "greatness" on? I really wish you posted a lot of these delusional stuff outside this board. You'd get laughed off the article. And no, it is not an essential job of a manager at all. No manager gets sacked for not bringing through youngsters from the youth team and infact it isn't the duty of the manager to produce young players. Chelsea's academy has never exactly been comparable to Barca or Ajax and Terry is their last notable product. Keep coming up with the desperate stuff.

His greatness is defined by a host of very unique accomplishments in a very exclusive club of the greatest managers. From winning a treble of league, Cup and UEFA Cup in his first full season as a manager with a previously struggling Porto, to conquering the holy grail of the CL in his second full season of management and first attempt at the CL("great Wenger" couldn't even make it past the facking SECOND ROUND in his first 6 attempts with Arsenal). Repeat it to yourself again: the guy as a 41-year-old rookie won the CL at his very first attempt. With facking Porto. The guy has won the league in 4 different countries - one of only 5 managers in history to do so. Also one of only 5 managers to win the CL in 2 different clubs. Or going for over 9 years unbeaten in a home league match at 5 different clubs.

Keep clutching at those straws.

Yes, you hate Wenger, WE KNOW!! Though I fail to see why that makes you unable to admit that every great manager before Jose, has made players as well as buying them.

You're arguing, listing all this other drivel about straws and strawmen (you really should talk to someone about that), as though it changes that fact. It doesn't.

Who knows, maybe one day Jose will stop being bitter obnoxious little and actually stay at a club long enough to promote a few players through the ranks. But until he does, he will always having a gaping hole in his CV, where all the "greatest" have a feckin ESSAY!

And before you say Wenger's CV is missing the ECL/treble...true but he has the Invincibles which none of the others do.

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Since every "Great" manager done it. His predecessors set the standard, not me. He may be able to dictate to the clubs whom hire him, however he can't dictate to people what their opinion is.

Because he is such an unbelievable duche, outside the clubs he's managed (and not even all of them like him), people intensely dislike him and view him as nothing more than a hideous little man who behaves like a spoiled child and buys titles.

This 'Great One" idiocy, is a UK Press/Chelsea fan myth. His short term success at clubs is second to none. But we'll never know if he's capable of actually building anything long term because he is too intolerable to have around long term.

His success is great but the man himself...nothing great about him, he's too intolerably obnoxious for enough people to WANT to hail him great. Same as Ronaldo is too much of a pillock for enough people to WANT to say he's as good as Messi.

Public opinion plays a huge part in this and the general public opinion of Jose is not one which sets you in good stead for being named one of history's "Greatest" But more one that has people want to forget about you the minute you're gone and only mention you after that if they really have to.

Greatest obnoxious little duche maybe, but that's about it. For now at least. Maybe he'll change his ways and actually build something...you know like REAL "Great" managers do

No point wasting your time with this guy. Just allow him to keep spinning his delusional, long-winded waffle.

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No point wasting your time with this guy.Just allow him to keep spinning his delusional, long-winded waffle.
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Your posts are as long as mine you numpty