Before the Chelsea fans all go mental in defence of someone who needed mourinho to come in and win things with his team consider the following;
- Promising start at Roma, fell out with the backroom staff and Totti in the following season. Got sacked
- Promising start at Juventus. Tweaked what had been there previously. Then it started going wrong. Got sacked
- Promising return to Valencia. Then they couldn't win a game for about 3 months. Criticised for continual tactical changes. Sacked
- Initially did well with Inter. Fell out with a couple of players, started making daft subs (like taking Cambiasso off) got sacked
- Awful at Greece. Sacked
- Spent £120m at Chelsea in the summer of 2003. Got sacked and mourinho steered that team to the title
- Spent an absolute fortune at Monaco. Couldn't win the French league (before the mega millions at PSG). Got sacked
- Started brilliantly at Leicester inheriting a team spirit built by Pearson and Walsh and with signings like Kante, Mahrez, Vardy already made. Won the title without changing much. Amazing. Second season - implements his own philosophy. Falls out with backroom staff and reportedly players. On course for relegation
Is this guy a bit of a managerial fraud? Did he walk into an amazing set up at Leicester with Kante already in place and take advantage of other teams facking up? Is this second season AND his previous history actually showing us that there is a reason he's been sacked more times than Abi Titmuss??
What do you think?
I don't accept the idea that Leicester are back at their natural level. Two years ago we were fighting hard but Pearson had us set up wrong. Right now we are playing worse than at any point I've ever seen us.
Is Ranieri a bit of a fraud?
posted on 19/2/17
Ranieri is not a fraud.
His tactical changes last year and managerial skills won us the title.
He is probably going to take us down this year.
I don't know what to make of it right now to be honest. If he's not achieved last season, this one would be up there with Peter Taylor or worse. Taking a good squad that should be comfortably top half down.
Howver, we would never have won the league last year, and so many things have happened including the worst pre season ever (a 2 month drinking session), Walsh leaving, massive wages handed out, players at awards nights weekly.
I don't think this is just Ranieri's fault. If he is a fraud, then so is every single player.
posted on 19/2/17
It's certainly not just Ranieris fault but what no one is really talking about with the exception of foxello is his track record
By winning FIFA coach of the year and with the high praise from mourinho, it seems some have put him in that top manager bracket. This is the fraud element I'm talking about - the flattering to deceive
Does he build on the foundations already in place before tearing them down in his subsequent seasons?
posted on 19/2/17
Its titles like this that really make me despair. How can anyone even contemplate calling CR a ' fraud' disgusts me.
He hadn't once called himself a world class manager, or claimed to be something he isn't. He is a human being trying to do the best in the job he loves and is paid to do.
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posted on 19/2/17
comment by DillyDingDillyDong (U13248)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Its titles like this that really make me despair. How can anyone even contemplate calling CR a ' fraud' disgusts me.
He hadn't once called himself a world class manager, or claimed to be something he isn't. He is a human being trying to do the best in the job he loves and is paid to do.
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It's titles like this that are designed to get people debating. Once again you appear to have lost sight of that and have posted a hysterical response.
I didn't say Ranieri claimed to be world class did I? But he won FIFA coach of the year and mourinho lauded him as one of the best.
So rather than being 'disgusted' and throwing boiled piiisss in my direction with your faux outrage, why not analyse his track record, read up on him as I have and the attempt to add to the debate?
Or you can continue acting like a teenager
posted on 19/2/17
my mind wandered after the Abbi Titmuss comment.....
Anyway....frankly he (CR) has absolutely no idea how Leicester did that last term...& he had a bloody good view of it for a whole season.
Back to tinkering.. ...he & Leicester then committed THE cardinal sin of not strengthening to follow up the next season
ergo....utter pants & relegation certainties
posted on 19/2/17
BS
I see it must be confrontational sunday in your house.......
I have added my two penneth to the debate time and time again over the last couple of months and my position hasn't changed. CR isn't a "fraud", he is a decent manager but not world class by any means. But IMO using the term fraud is disrespectful to the man who took us to the Holy Grail last season, but that's just my opinion and others will disagree.
The whole of our club has failed this season from top to bottom, but the Manager is the main man so he either puts up or shuts up. That's how it works.
As for "teenager", I can only just remember being one let alone acting like one.
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posted on 19/2/17
I point to his track record which no one but foxello is talking about. That's the point of this thread. Why so many sackings? Why has he failed pretty much everywhere? Is there a reason he never really won anything before he came here?
That was what the thread was about really
posted on 19/2/17
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
I point to his track record which no one but foxello is talking about. That's the point of this thread. Why so many sackings? Why has he failed pretty much everywhere? Is there a reason he never really won anything before he came here?
That was what the thread was about really
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My comments were in regard to the bit where you said about Ranieri at Leicester 'won the title without changing too much'. I don't agree - he changed the tactics.
posted on 19/2/17
I think this time last season I would have wholeheartedly agreed Nuneaton. Looking at it now, I don't think he revolutionised anything tactically. This isn't Conte we are talking about here. He reverted us back to a 4-4-2 which is actually what we had played for most of the season before and in the championship
He certainly made the right subs at the right times but not really sure he changed us that much tactically. I think his great strength last season was leaving things in tact
posted on 19/2/17
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 1 minute ago
I think this time last season I would have wholeheartedly agreed Nuneaton. Looking at it now, I don't think he revolutionised anything tactically. This isn't Conte we are talking about here. He reverted us back to a 4-4-2 which is actually what we had played for most of the season before and in the championship
He certainly made the right subs at the right times but not really sure he changed us that much tactically. I think his great strength last season was leaving things in tact
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And having Kante
And anot her half dozen run of the mill players at the top of their game for a long period