That moment the media turned

Ahh BS theres alway a way out isn't there.
CR won the premiership you could of had NP and everything else BUT we would not of won it without CR's input. Do you honestly think if nothing had changed and we had kept Nigel and the new signings we would of won a teacup or am i missing something?

Do have to stay in the NP zone for ever as no other method will work? or do we need to adapt to become a team that can be comfortable with more that 30% possession?

CoE
Who Said he new more about it than the Sports Science department please. But let me know how many less members are there now than before apart from the obvious?
The issue maybe that CR brought in his own head of sports science i believe and there could of been a clash of styles i don't know for sure?

How do you motivate a team of players that have won everything when they where never in their wildest dreams thought they would given like CR Shake's and co a top of the range BMW and shed loads of cash.

No one could of stopped "the after the lord mayors show effect" add the preseason and failures in recruitment and you have it. Now how much blame can be leveled at CR compared to the DoF other management players etc is a grey area.

comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 8 minutes ago
Ahh BS theres alway a way out isn't there.
CR won the premiership you could of had NP and everything else BUT we would not of won it without CR's input. Do you honestly think if nothing had changed and we had kept Nigel and the new signings we would of won a teacup or am i missing something?

Do have to stay in the NP zone for ever as no other method will work? or do we need to adapt to become a team that can be comfortable with more that 30% possession?


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Completely agree. We wouldn't have won it without CR. But we wouldn't have won it without Walsh,
Pearson and Shakespeare either and the work done before.

You've obviously forgotten that I called for Pearson to be sacked the previous season. He wasn't able to get the very best out of the players we had, CR was.

But if you're going to fundamentally change the team from a counter attacking side to a possession based footballing side then you need to sign the players to do that. We didn't and therefore Ranieri was foolish to try and get the players he had playing that way

comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 6 minutes ago
Ahh BS theres alway a way out isn't there.
CR won the premiership you could of had NP and everything else BUT we would not of won it without CR's input. Do you honestly think if nothing had changed and we had kept Nigel and the new signings we would of won a teacup or am i missing something?

Do have to stay in the NP zone for ever as no other method will work? or do we need to adapt to become a team that can be comfortable with more that 30% possession?


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Give one good reason why we have to change our style when Atletico Madrid play counter attacking football and are within the top six clubs in Europe? If it's good enough for them it's good enough for us.

All this bollox about playing a possession based game is just that, a load of bollox. We don't need to change to be like every other team, we simply need to sign better players and continue playing like this because it's bloody effective. Teams See you sussing us out is bollox too because if we play well it rarely matters what the opposition do to stop us, we usually find a way regardless.

comment by Champions of England (U21032)
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comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 6 minutes ago
Ahh BS theres alway a way out isn't there.
CR won the premiership you could of had NP and everything else BUT we would not of won it without CR's input. Do you honestly think if nothing had changed and we had kept Nigel and the new signings we would of won a teacup or am i missing something?

Do have to stay in the NP zone for ever as no other method will work? or do we need to adapt to become a team that can be comfortable with more that 30% possession?


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Give one good reason why we have to change our style when Atletico Madrid play counter attacking football and are within the top six clubs in Europe? If it's good enough for them it's good enough for us.

All this bollox about playing a possession based game is just that, a load of bollox. We don't need to change to be like every other team, we simply need to sign better players and continue playing like this because it's bloody effective. Teams See you sussing us out is bollox too because if we play well it rarely matters what the opposition do to stop us, we usually find a way regardless.


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Spot on

comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 6 minutes ago
CoE
Who Said he new more about it than the Sports Science department please. But let me know how many less members are there now than before apart from the obvious?
The issue maybe that CR brought in his own head of sports science i believe and there could of been a clash of styles i don't know for sure?

How do you motivate a team of players that have won everything when they where never in their wildest dreams thought they would given like CR Shake's and co a top of the range BMW and shed loads of cash.

No one could of stopped "the after the lord mayors show effect" add the preseason and failures in recruitment and you have it. Now how much blame can be leveled at CR compared to the DoF other management players etc is a grey area.

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The fact he was trying to change their dietary and fitness regimes suggests he thinks he knows more, doesn't it? Loughborough Uni is the creme de la creme and that's where our staff have been handed picked from. It's not a coincidence that we were leading the way with new technology. Surely this is a department he shouldn't be getting involved in when he has the best in the business at his disposal. Like Pearson, he should have trusted their expertise because they have proven to be top of their game.

Yes winning the league took it's toll, yes preseason was an absolute shambles meaning we're not as fit, yes the recruitment was poor and we failed to adequately strengthen in key areas and yes I accept all of these have played a part. The main problem though has been Ranieri and his insistence in trying to play a style of football the players aren't suited to and his failure to address it. All Shakey has done is what CR should have done months ago when it was clear we didn't have the players to evolve our style.

I don't want to see sideways and backwards passing and keeping the ball for the sake of it. Or slow laboured build ups. Watching Spurs play us was at WHL last season was so dull, they just looked totally clueless and the ball went side to side and nothing ever came of their possession. I appreciate others enjoy that but I don't.

So I don't sound biased here, I like watching counter attacking football, like Liverpool against Arsenal the other day for example. Now to me that's exciting and I think we're exciting to watch when we're at our best.

Not quite sure what we're debating here!

So I'll just agree with Joby and be done with it. That or I'll sit on the fence with Dunge.

I don't see any issue with trying to evolve a style, but Claudio should have realised it wasn't working, we were getting worse not better and sliding towards relegation.

After Xmas he should have gone back to basics to steady the ship, just as Shakey has; a few points in 2017 and he'd still be in post. Some more recruitment in the Summer and he could have tried his evolution approach again next season.

comment by nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
I don't see any issue with trying to evolve a style, but Claudio should have realised it wasn't working, we were getting worse not better and sliding towards relegation.

After Xmas he should have gone back to basics to steady the ship, just as Shakey has; a few points in 2017 and he'd still be in post. Some more recruitment in the Summer and he could have tried his evolution approach again next season.


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Yeah exactly. I'm all for him trying new tactics but when they didn't work he should had reverted back but he didn't and it cost him.