The players had diets and a fitness regime that worked for them, designed by experts, resulting in us being one of if not the fittest team in the league for the last two seasons.

CR obviously ignored the professionals and thought he knew better, clearly he didn't. We're nowhere near as fit this season and we've not been this unfit since we lost to Watford in the play offs. No wonder the players weren't keen to take on his ideas, his ideas were wrong. Just another example of how he was destroying the club from the inside. If only he'd just left everything the fack alone.

It wasnt CR or diet or anything similar that caused the losses. It was simply the players being hungover from last season's miracle and not having the motivation, willpower and attitude to duplicate it this season. Quite obviously some players are playing out the season to move on to better contracts.

CoE you have chosen to believe this and using it to show that CR knows nothing about player fitness after 30 plus years in the business. The Italians and European coaches demonstrate greater knowledge on diets etc and have introduced them to our game.
"Buttergate or Burgergate CR would of been doing the same last season if his instructions where being ignored then he reacted. Shows either a man in mental decline or someone reacting to yet another instruction being ignored.

Broadsheets or Redtops this situation for them has legs awaiting more.

p.s good job they listened to his ideas last season because whatever they where they worked along with integrating players into the team without upsetting the Squad players that did not figure much before How many games did Fuchs and Okazaki play under NP?

Actually Nev our injuries and fitness have been almost exemplary over the last three or four years, yet this season we're nowhere near as fit and have picked up more injuries than in the last four seasons combined because CR started messing around with everything.

You choose to blind yourself to it if you want but it's pretty obvious when you hear stories about the sports science team not being listened to and now this. It's no wonder when he's meddling in business he shouldn't be meddling in. Loughborough Uni is the best uni in England for sports science so don't be trying to tell me that Ranieri knows more than highly educated professionals, he doesn't.

comment by LFC_ICE (U21350)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
It wasnt CR or diet or anything similar that caused the losses. It was simply the players being hungover from last season's miracle and not having the motivation, willpower and attitude to duplicate it this season. Quite obviously some players are playing out the season to move on to better contracts.
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With all due respect can you refrain from contributing unless you actually have something worth contributing?

Preferably gather some knowledge of the subject prior to commenting because what you've just said it's absolute rubbish. If you care to post, care to do a bit of research first

Nev you have to remember that I backed CR and initially blamed the players but since then I've just educated myself. As someone who didn't want to believe there was even a problem and argued with DDDD and BS, I'm not blind enough to see their wasn't a problem and whether I wanted to believe it or not, it simply boils down the CR for most of what has gone wrong this season.

This article looks a bit suspicious to me - I see little more than speculation about it. I reserve judgement.

It's a pretty decent source dunge but I'm with you - there's no real meat behind the bones here. There is probably some truth in it but whether he started clearing out butter from the snack table like some kind of demented Jesus at the temple is probably far fetched

There are going to be a lot more of these articles as time passes and given time we will get a behind the scenes insight into what actually happened, probably from a players autobiography

There's certainly no smoke without fire though and like CoE I firmly believe he had lost his way, meddling with everything that worked so well

I didn't really take much notice of the butter incident, it was a story about nothing really because the butter could just have been melted. It was changing the players diets and fitness regime that rang loud alarm bells because this also backs up other reports suggesing the sports science team were being ignored.

Whether anyone chooses to believe it or admit it, CR was systematically destroying everything good about the clubs foundations and the core ingredients that have made us successful.

comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
p.s good job they listened to his ideas last season because whatever they where they worked along with integrating players into the team without upsetting the Squad players that did not figure much before How many games did Fuchs and Okazaki play under NP?


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I don't think that Fuchs and Okazaki featured much for NP Nev.

That's possibly because they were both signed in June 2015 - the same month that NP was sacked.

I can't recall myself, which training session they were omitted from before CR rescued their careers.

CoE
Last season we had very few soft tissue injuries like hammy's this season rather than CR meddling in something he does not know anything about. (Sorry thats laughable) We again this season have had few injuries again so that does not work.

Lack of fitness always rolled out when a manager gets the boot. The sports Science department is alive and well as is two thirds of the coaching staff. So again i can't see it.
I know you told the guy to mind his own business from LFC but he's nearer the mark. A poor pre-season a hangover from last season and players getting a year older.
I am sure there are issues that CR handled badly or got wrong or he would still be here.

As for the meddling thats called management and he did the same last season brining back 442 playing Fuch and Qzi inserting Kane into midfield.

I don't get that CR did not meddle/manage last season as well as this. He saw we had to make changes got rid of Mr Way everyone else did their job same as.

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
p.s good job they listened to his ideas last season because whatever they where they worked along with integrating players into the team without upsetting the Squad players that did not figure much before How many games did Fuchs and Okazaki play under NP?


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I don't think that Fuchs and Okazaki featured much for NP Nev.

That's possibly because they were both signed in June 2015 - the same month that NP was sacked.

I can't recall myself, which training session they were omitted from before CR rescued their careers.

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Another classic from Nev

Joby that was me being ironic i could of included Kante as well. just to prove the point that it wasn't the exactly the same players as the season before therefore CR had to do some tinkering to win the Prem.

Nev - you clearly said 'integrating players into the team that did not play before' and then referenced Fuchs. Don't backtrack now

BS irony get it

"CR was systematically destroying everything good about the clubs foundations and the core ingredients that have made us successful." Definatly that comes across as your opinion but i don't see it that way as i have said somewhere between the two extremes.
CR and whoever is the next manager has to introduce change and i think CR wasn't strong enough to carry it through.
Even last year there where four new players that featured in the team that stayed up by the skin of our teeth. So could it be that the players and the old management team did not want that change and tried to block. Is that not equally as feasible as CR fiddled while the KP burned ?

BS no backtracking how could they play before if they had not been signed doh.

Oh dear Nev, you've got to admit that's a classic

I don't think you've represented your argument particularly well at all Nev. In fact there are so many contradictions in what you post it's hard to know where to start really

There's change and then there's using the players you have in their most effective roles. What CR got horribly wrong was thinking he was managing Lazio with more or less the same team that won a title through Pearson, Shakespeare and Walsh's philosophy which we are now going back to - and winning again

comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 24 seconds ago
Oh dear Nev, you've got to admit that's a classic
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It's one of his best!

....and when I say winning a title through Pearson and cos philosophy that's not to detract from the work CR did last season, he contributed to that. Before ripping it up

"There's change and then there's using the players you have in their most effective roles. What CR got horribly wrong was thinking he was managing Lazio with more or less the same team that won a title through Pearson,

No he won the premiership and with four players that did not play under NP in what turned out to be very effective roles which is nearly a third of a different team than the season before ?

Everyones looking to justify getting rid of the most successful manager and i except he had to go! But as he did not kick a ball all season and now we are superstars again does that not ring some alarm bells.

Foxy its someones elses classic i am afraid. Its from an article referring to the players that did not play under NP and did under CR my big mistake was trying to be to clever and should of left Kante in

'No he won the premiership and with four players that did not play under NP in what turned out to be very effective roles which is nearly a third of a different team than the season before ?'

Those players who were signed for him were signed to fit a philosophy and style of football implemented by Pearson, Shakespeare and Walsh. You're making it out to be some kind of squad overhaul overseen by Ranieri as he magically turned us from relegation material to PL winners in a single season. There's a bit more to the story than that

'my big mistake was trying to be to clever'

And here, after months of back and forth, is where we finally agree on something