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Wednesday V Forest Match Thread

On paper this should be a relatively easy away fixture for the Reds.

The Wendies have won only once this season, beating Fulham 0-1 through a Steven Fletcher goal. They've drawn the rest apart from losing to Preston North End by a late Daniel Johnson penalty.




Sheffield Wednesday forward Fernando Forestieri is to have knee surgery next week that will see him ruled out for at least three months.

The 27-year-old has scored 27 goals in 73 league appearances for the Owls.
They have also sustained injuries to several other regular first team players, that have been gleefuly noted by the NEP.
To cap that off their manager has received a two match touchline ban.

This could be a perfect opportunity to beat them, but hey ho this is Forest that we're talking about, so it depends which team turns up tomorrow imo.






New defensive duo Frederico Venancio and Joost van Aken have impressed fellow Owls defender Tom Lees.

The Wednesday vice captain – who has well over 200 Championship appearances under the belt – has seen plenty of potential in the new additions.

Solid centre back Venancio arrived from Vitoria in the transfer window, after a successful stint in the Portuguese top flight, where he captained the Setubal side.

Van Aken joined from Dutch side Heerenveen and comes highly rated from the Eredivisie, with a number of clubs from across Europe keeping tabs on the defender prior to his Hillsborough switch.



Sheffield Wednesday have signed Heerenveen defender Joost van Aken for an undisclosed fee on a four-year deal.

The 23-year-old made 84 appearances in the Dutch top flight, scoring three times.

He could make his debut for the Owls on Saturday evening.

They also have a few other familiar names within their first team squad, namely George Boyd, Jordan Rhodes and Jacob Butterfield [on loan from the sheep] who could figure tomorrow.

Jordan Rhodes seems to have lost his mojo:

Sheffield Wednesday boss Carlos Carvalhal has defended striker Jordan Rhodes for not taking a penalty in his side's Championship play-off semi-final defeat by Huddersfield.

"He said he did not feel confident," Carvalhal told BBC Radio Sheffield.

"The worst thing I could have done was force him to take one."

The 51-year-old added: "It would have been a big mistake to make him take one. It's one of the worst things you can do to a player.

Rhodes, who has scored 175 league goals in his career, is on loan at the Owls from Middlesbrough before joining for a fee believed to be around £10m in the summer.

He has scored three goals in 20 appearances for the club and had a penalty saved in their 1-0 defeat by Leeds in February.




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posted on 9/9/17

Henderson is back as an option and maybe this performance will tempt Warburton into sticking Henderson in there. Smith got some real stick off the defence today and you worry he might start to lose confidence.

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posted on 9/9/17

Surely it's time for Warburton to go. Clearly the plummet towards relegation has started early this season.
Make the change now. There's only one man who can halt the slide.

posted on 9/9/17

Hobbs and Fox in defence? Hobbs can't pass and Fox can't defend. Clough in the centre? Check their average height first.

Add to the above that Vaughan doesn't start? Zero chance.

Big side = counter that with build and height.

I thought that Murphy was drafted in for these type of games. Plus, if we're being bullied maybe one or two beasts up front to take their mind of relentless attacks.

Vellios not playing is a joke. Either sell him or get him in the squad. Nice to know we're paying £1 million for a guy to sit on his rs because he doesn't jog fast enough in training.

If that same lineup starts against Sunderland put your house on them winning!!

posted on 10/9/17

There's a lot of hindsight on here this morning, so I might as well add a bit more.

We have still not replaced Henri Lansbury. Nobody will do the ugly stuff like he had to at times and take a yellow for the team.

We still can't impose our game on other teams. That is why we had to go to a back four - AFTER TEN MINUTES. We should have stopped them getting the ball to Wallace.

Vaughan is a big miss; it could turn into the situation we had with Reidy.

posted on 10/9/17

Having just watched the 10 minutes of hi-lights on I-follow and what a load of crap that is compared to Forest Player. The defence looked disorganised and Smith has lost some of his confidence.

Fletcher scored one and made the 3rd; the second was a very good goal made possible by a skilful corner that dropped over Bouches head [not a lot he could do about that] and guided itself onto Fletchers forehead.
That Fletcher was allowed to run and cross inside our penalty area and no Forest player even attempted to mark him is atrocious.

Warbs has to shoulder a fair amount of the blame for picking the wrong team and using the wrong tactics early on.

Mancienne would have covered/blocked Fletchers cross for the third goal.

Warburton needs to show some faith in Smith and not drop him imo anyway. B.B should have played down the middle.

posted on 10/9/17

I am guessing that Hendo will have to wait until the Chelsea game to start a game. Let's see how he does in that.

Regarding the defence; it's not so much a matter of personnel , it is down to instilling organisation and discipline into whoever plays. Douggie Freeman did it, now Warbs needs to do the same. They could also do with more protection in front of them. Fox was left exposed by whoever was playing right midfield.

posted on 10/9/17

Also we need to decide what system we want to play and stick with it come what may and that means the academy teams, U21s and first team. It is not fair to ask a youngster to graduate from the U21s to the first team when one team plays a different system to the other.

Also changing the system during a match when they have been playing a certain system and had team talks based on a certain system in training leading up to the game is bonkers. It's asking for trouble.

posted on 10/9/17

Yep, it certainly sent a message I thought when thy subbed Clough. As well as smacking his confidence, it told Wednesday that Forest weren't quite sure how to approach them. I guess you have to credit Warburton for not wanting to rest on his laurels but maybe it could have been done at half time.

posted on 10/9/17

I feel for Clough. He was the main man at Bolton but seems to have become lost in the larger squad at Forest. I don't really think he is being played in a position where he can really be effective. He is too deep and gets out-battled. He needs to be much further forward.

posted on 10/9/17

Henderson might get his chance at Sunderland. As tough as it would be, if Smith conceded another two or three goals, he would be really feeling the pressure.

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