Mayweather

Mr Mortimer



Wow I really should not have numbered my points, looks like its causing alot of grief . For your info the reason why that was my point number 1 is because that was the first major talking point of the fight!

I need not waste my time reading the rest of your cry-baby Floyd hater antics

Ortiz had already touched gloves with Floyd and hugged and kissed him twice anyway - how much more of a love-in does he want? Besides which, he'd already headbutted Floyd twice anyway and was getting his ass handed to him. Floyd would have done him within two more rounds anyway. Ortiz didn't have really any strong complaints afterwards - he knew he was getting caned.


AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE!

Does the age of the examples mean they are no longer valid? It is the principle I am trying to prove – nothing more… but if you prefer, what about Froch beating Taylor then? Audley beating Sprott? Surely you have your own examples you can think of.
I agree Mayweather was winning… that proves nothing. Yes Ortiz may have taken a beating… it is possible, perhaps even likely… but you don’t know for sure. That’s the beauty of boxing!
Or do you think Kaz that all fights are over after 4 rounds? Do you know exactly what will happen? I doubt very much you change channels after round 4 in most 12 rounders… do you understand the point?

Dreadlocks – I don’t think you should have numbered your points… because that suggests there is some form of reasoning behind it – as opposed to you just ranting.
Point number one was something the trainer said… the talking point of the fight was something that didn’t even happen in the fight… Wow!
I am not a Mayweather hater at all… it worries me that you think anyone who doesn’t idolize him is automatically a “hater”. Is a picture of him the background image on your computer by any chance? I’m not anti-Mayweather whatsoever… you have missed the point entirely. Someone being anti-Mayweather regardless of the facts is as ridiculous as someone being pro-Mayweather regardless of the facts. You seem to fall into the latter category!
Whether Mayweather would have won or not isn’t the point at all. If an athlete takes drugs – but would have been faster than anyone else anyway is it OK or should he be banned? If a football team plays a player that isn’t signed on… whether they would have won without him isn’t relevant at all!

Look Mr Mortimer. I appreciate your intellectual argument. I too can be intellectual if need be but in this case I have said what needs to be said, so your side of logical reasoning (doesn't mean I'm being illogical) is just a bit too much for me to go into right now. I've kind of lost my passion for this argument as most of the people I know and neautrals are siding with Floyd. Once they see that headbutt then you know the saying, "you reap what you sowe"***

All I can say is that Ortiz risked the fight ending when he headbutted Floyd as any major cut to Floyds face would have resulted in immediate DQ. I idolize Mayweather because he is a great boxer, the best! People hate him for his out of the ring antics which I take no notice of. What matters is what happens in the ring and Floyd has shown brilliance and a style matched by no other.

I can just thank Floyd for giving me the pleasure of watching a dirty cheating rat getting knocked out. There aint no friends in the boxing ring especially after the headbutt and if you wanna play dirty, then do it legally because it can bite you back in the bum.

As for sportsmanship, boooo hooo the circumstances make that invalid. Nani scored a goal against United but 76,000 fans still cheered and not many complained thereafter. If you can win withing the laws of the game then do it however you can, ESPECIALLY IF THE OTHER GUY TRIES TO CHEAT ILLEGALLY!!!!

Wow maybe my passion for this argument is still there. As for him vs Pac. You would be illogical and subjective to defend Pacman over Floyd. IMO they are both being stubborn to make it work.

lets just leave it at this, after the headbutt ortiz gt everything he deserved, people claiming that it was morally wrong or unsportsmanlike? wtf he got butted in the face morality goes out the window, the irony of the ortiz camp hyping mayweather as a dirty fighter was laughable

ortiz started the dirty business mayweather finished it off, if ortiz hadnt done what he did none of that would have happened

I’m not sure many of the neutrals are siding with Mayweather… not that I actually think what the neutrals believe matters at all necessarily. Boxing isn’t a democracy where what the majority of fans think makes the decision, it is what the referee and judges think that counts. That’s why there are so many controversies!

As for Ortiz – let me pose this question. Had he hit Mayweather with a low blow and been deducted a point… but hurt Mayweather so much that Mayweather then couldn’t fight on and was later knocked out. Would that have been cheating? The rules would have been applied… ie if you hit with a low blow the referee can deduct a point. He hasn’t “got away” with the low blow because he has been punished in accordance with the rules.

In football many players will commit fouls and happily accept a yellow card because it prevents a counter attack and possible goal. Are they cheating ****s?

As for sportsmanship being irrelevant, maybe it is… we can’t expect all professionals to be Di Canio and catching the ball when the keeper is out injured instead of scoring. Does it matter? Maybe not… but I don’t think he sits very comfortably on a moral high horse by winning in such a way. Either there is no morality and it’s just about getting the “W” – in which case well done Mayweather! Or there is a case for sportsmanship and you can criticize Ortiz. It’s your choice.

Him versus Pac. How is it illogical to defend Pac? I think it is perfectly reasonable to abide by the rules set out by the boxing commissions over which drugs test to use. Mayweather is demanding different measures… Is it right that one boxer dictates that to another? I don’t think so.

It may be subjective to think Pac-man would beat Mayweather… but I’m not arguing he would necessarily. I do think Mayweather is threatened by Pac though, maybe not as much in the ring as outside of it. Mayweather tries telling the world he is the best boxer on the planet… but there is another boxer around that has won more, in more weights.

They are both being stubborn I agree… I am not sure the fight will ever happen, and it will be interesting to see how the fighters are judged in the future if they don’t meet. I think it will leave a mark on Mayweather’s legacy.

Look at Mayweathers last five victories compared to Pacquiaos. Mayweather fought Carlos Baldomir when he was the UNDISPUTED/LINEAL/UNIFIED welterweight champion coming off strong victories. Oscar De La Hoya at 154, coming off a knockout over Mayorga for the WBC title. Hatton when he was UNDEFEATED, and Mosley when he came off his best knockout over margarito for the WBA. Pacquiao fought Cotto (after margarito) Clottey (after cotto) Oscar/Hatton/Mosley (after Floyd) LOL LEFTOVERS!

Yes you could argue that way. Many people did the same thing though when Calzaghe and Ottke were both Super Middle Weight Champions. Calzaghe would fight people Ottke had already beaten… that doesn’t necessarily mean Ottke would have beaten Calzaghe though surely?

I think it’s a tough one when there are two champions who are too stubborn to fight each other, because all you can compare is the way they beat opponents… was Pac-man’s beating of Hatton and De La Hoya more impressive than Mayweather’s? Yes… but was that because they were shot fighters?

The trouble is until they actually fight people won’t actually know… and I think even after they fight people will still argue – if one fighter loses is it because he isn’t in his prime? Or because he was carrying an injury? Or was it controversial scoring? It sounds to me like even if the two fought and Mayweather was beaten you would refuse to accept Pac was better. Bernard Hopkins doesn’t think he lost the Calzaghe fight… and I dare say people who got caught up in the hype of his talking believe that to be the case too.

I think if they don’t fight more questions will be asked of Mayweather.