Jorghino

I rate him and he’s had a good start but I dunno I get tired of always seeing a stat like this on my twitter, all stats need context behind it and this (imo) is one of the most ambiguous you can get. And it also annoys me because if you watch his games so far with us he actually has a subtle problem with poor losses of possession, not with passing but when getting pressed on the ball, he doesn’t shield the ball well as maybe more experienced ‘registas’ (sorry Sherriff) and may have to get used to it with all the high pressing sides in PL.

I was talking about Jorginho speeding the tempo up. His passing was very Britton/Allen Rodgers Swansea-esque in my opinion.

Even though he broke the pass record he only made one key pass and only attempted one long ball all game. I didn't think he was bad, I just thought he didn't put in a particularly great performance and played a key factor in why there was such a clear lack of chances created.

Obviously it's tough to create these chances when the opposition plays so negatively; but I don't think he did much that helped break the opposition down before that first goal.

comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 7 minutes ago
I rate him and he’s had a good start but I dunno I get tired of always seeing a stat like this on my twitter, all stats need context behind it and this (imo) is one of the most ambiguous you can get. And it also annoys me because if you watch his games so far with us he actually has a subtle problem with poor losses of possession, not with passing but when getting pressed on the ball, he doesn’t shield the ball well as maybe more experienced ‘registas’ (sorry Sherriff) and may have to get used to it with all the high pressing sides in PL.
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I agree with your context comments.

I don't know, I'm pretty sure his passing % has always been quite high, you are always going to loss possession he odd time. I don't think we should be picking holes in his games. He's had three games in a new country. And has been very impressive in my book.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Firmino does not stretch defences, that comes from the pace of Mane and Salah. jesus christ

Jorginho was not impressive, he passed the ball around with no pressure.

Like I say, must have watched different games. Everyone else through Jorgino had a good game.

Very impressive performance to me, hard to break down and played a good tempo imo. Done the best we could in that scenario.
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It's true though, Firmino applies the pressure but you don't see him stretch defences. Where he is good though is that he creates space for the likes of Mane and Salah, somewhere Morata can improve on.

Them ratings were going to be high for our midfield because we had 80% possession but a lot of it was not threatening or with any urgency.

Jorginho is great when there's no pressure on the ball but I've seen him give it a way a number of times when pressed which have led to chances to the opposition - Man City in the Community Shield and Arsenal for 25 mins at The Bridge.

He's pretty poor defensively too as he cannot track runners, i.e. Arsenal's goals came from cut backs in the box where a holding midfielder should be but he was not there.

Of course he does, Firmino drops in pulling in the cbs, he also goes in behind, all of this leaves space to leave mane and salah 1 on 1 with their full back. He doesn't stretch them by getting wide, but he pulls opposition defences all over the shop, and leaves space for mane and salah. Stretching the space between the cbs and full backs.

You don't like jorgino then, I get it.

Man city game is a write off so i'm not even acknoledging that. So he's had 25 minutes when the whole team was poor, and kante, the best dm in the world, was also losing his man.

So based on 25 minutes, now kante is poor defensively?

I think traditional CF's when left without supply aren't to blame for bad team performances against packed defences. It is there role to be the one occupying the CB; allowing more freedom - both in terms of space and creatively - for the other forwards to create.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 34 minutes ago
Of course he does, Firmino drops in pulling in the cbs, he also goes in behind, all of this leaves space to leave mane and salah 1 on 1 with their full back. He doesn't stretch them by getting wide, but he pulls opposition defences all over the shop, and leaves space for mane and salah. Stretching the space between the cbs and full backs.

You don't like jorgino then, I get it.

Man city game is a write off so i'm not even acknoledging that. So he's had 25 minutes when the whole team was poor, and kante, the best dm in the world, was also losing his man.

So based on 25 minutes, now kante is poor defensively?
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I do like Jorginho, very good on the ball when he's not pressed. Needs to work on his game off the ball.

Why are you not acknowledging the City game, that's who we're competing against.

2 of our 3 premier league games have been against two very poor teams. Huddersfield who will most likely get relegated and they caused us problems for half an hour. Newcastle without their 2 best players and we struggled to beat them.

Kante adjusting to his new role, so yeah he wasn't good for his role in their goals.

Jorginho gave it away vs Newcastle and Huddersfield too, I just gave the Arsenal example.

Why are you not acknowledging the City game, that's who we're competing against.
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Glorified friendly, with fabregas injured starting, no kante, no hazard, in his first game in the country when we played terribly all round.

You keep saying he gave it away

Passing accuracy in his three games:
91.3%
91.9%
93.9% Highest of any starter that match

So looks like not only does he NOT give the ball away much, it looks like he gives it away the least.

All players give away the ball, jorgino compared to others does not.

My main point is not to look too much into these passing stats because a lot of it was meaningless in the game where Newcastle just sat back and allowed us to dominate.

Jorginho has been good in his opening 3 games but he needs to work on probably shielding the ball better when pressed and on his defensive side of the game.

The bigger issues are both defensively and up front.