I'll begin by saying I didn't want him as manager and am glad he has gone.
But... in two and a half seasons he got us two trophies, a second place in the league, we are in the last sixteen in the CL thanks to beating Juve at their place.
The board knew his style when they appointed him, he was true to his colours and tried to make a pragmatic team who were hard to beat. So the board have some responsibility.
So do the players, without wishing to be like Wahl, Pogba and one ot two others could have given more. Whether players like the current manager or not they are playing for the team, the club, the fans, all on big money. We should expect the best from them in every match.
The results and standard of play weren't good enough, but what irked me was his interviews. It was always I and 'they' the players. It should be 'we' every time, he can say what he wants behind closed doors, but to the world it should be 'we', and take it on the chin if we lose instead of pointing fingers.
When he arrived in England, he had charisma, a smile, a cheeky charm. By the time he got to us he was like a trapped animal, sullen, snarling. Bad for the team, the club and the fans, he should have cheered up, shown a bit of optimism. It is a dream job really.
So, goodbye, but he will never go down as one of us, a red.
Later my ill thought out opinions on Ole and the way forward.
Happy New Year all.
Jose, a retrospective.
posted on 1/1/19
I think its more simple than all this.
He wanted out.
He's staying in a hotel and his family live down south.
Wanted a massive payout for Christmas.
How?
Brings on fellaini at half time against Liverpool.
posted on 1/1/19
I’m sorry, but he was awful. Winning the Carabao Cup after being outplayed by Southampton and winning the Europa League were quite nice, but that’s it, we qualified fir the CL to get completely outplayed by Sevilla in the last 16, what was the point? We all made jokes about how bad the PL must be if we could finish 2nd, we really weren’t THAT good tbh.
He spent a fortune and the football, at times, was an abdolute disgrace. I don’t mind bringing on a target man to salvage a game if we were working the ball into good areas to cross it but we were literally launching it from 50-60 yards away. There are Championship teams who would be embarrassed to do that...
Lots of talk about the players attitude Has it not dawned on people that they players were doing exactly what Jose asked but his negstive, just plain sh*t tactics made them look awful? It’s no coincidence that at one time or another ALL of our attack minded players looked poor, one or two, ok, but all of them?
Also, imagine if he’d got his way and sold Martial or if Pogba left Pound-for-poind the worst manager we’ve had since SAF retired. He never should have got the job, I was never comfortable with him, and I’m glad he’s gone.
posted on 1/1/19
Out of the three managers we got, I hated his time the most. Moyes was not up to it and just a terrible decision. LVG I still to this day maintain we should've kept him- he never lost the players.
With Mourinho, forget the results for one minute, he was as toxic as they come. He was the real virus. What he did to Martial and Rashford after purchasing Sanchez is crime against football. He should stand trial for that
posted on 1/1/19
If United had of went down to ten men under Jose, Fellaini would've been brought on and it would've been a backs to the wall job. Conceding possession until outside our own penalty box, unable to string three passes together and with no outlet.
After Bailly went off on Sunday United kept the ball with ease. One touch pass and move. In the opposition half as well. You wouldn't have even known United were down to ten.
It's things like that that are really telling for me. The atmosphere and the tactics have changed and the players have responded.
The atmosphere Jose cultivated and the tactics he employed, and as a manager at Manchester United I feel he failed miserably. Winning the League Cup and the Europa, then bragging that he had won a "treble" was embarrassing and doesn't change the fact that he, ultimately, failed.
posted on 1/1/19
The atmosphere Jose cultivated and the tactics he employed failed
posted on 1/1/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
Jose effectively downed tools himself when he didn't get what he wanted in the summer
He proceeded to undermine everyone at the club most importantly his own squad just to prove whatever facked up point he was trying to make.
More so than ever it became all about him
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exactly
posted on 1/1/19
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Out of the three managers we got, I hated his time the most. Moyes was not up to it and just a terrible decision. LVG I still to this day maintain we should've kept him- he never lost the players.
With Mourinho, forget the results for one minute, he was as toxic as they come. He was the real virus. What he did to Martial and Rashford after purchasing Sanchez is crime against football. He should stand trial for that
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‘Stand trial’
Wow, loser
posted on 1/1/19
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Donga rides again (U21992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 44 minutes ago
I'd go along with almost all of that, 52.
On the question of players' attitude, my own experiences of leadership tempts me to give Pogba and others the benefit of the doubt. I've worked under great and awful leaders and have been 400% more productive under the former. Under the latter I've sometimes had the feeling of working hard but with weights strapped to my limbs.
In recent years I've been given my own leadership training and recognised the things that made the best leaders in my life so effective: they make the people under them feel capable, trusted, free to channel their abilities. There's nothing better in work than the feeling of knowing you're great at what you do and being trusted to go out and solve problems using your unique skills that will help the rest of the team because the overall framework is sound.
The opposite happens when someone feels negative pressure and lack of freedom and trust in their work. And when people collectively mistrust the framework they're working under, it's hard for them to operate with any sort of conviction. Look at how the incredibly professional unit managed by Fergie became lethargic and nervous a few months into the Moyes era. Were these players a disgrace or was something more complicated happening?
Over the years Mourinho seemed to lose that ability he had (despite the tactical micromanagement) to lift people up. Over the summer it felt like Mourinho had crossed a bridge in his negativity.
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Good post I've done plenty of leadership courses etc and the one word that always comes up is trust. Jose showed very little trust in lots of the squad and it showed on the pitch.
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One of the best tricks of management is to be like Jack Taylor's description of a good referee - if you're doing the job properly you barely get noticed. Too many people get into management because they were good at the frontline task, and the harder things get, the more they want to do the frontline job that they're comfortable with, rather than motivating and facilitating their employees to do their own. You cannot micro-manage every detail of your staff's tasks, and if you do then you're not managing properly.
The world is already awash with KPI's, bogus reviews comical 'values and behaviours' that are just a ducking stool for getting rid of faces that don't fit. Staff work better for the carrot and not the stick, and that's the truth.
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Yeah fully agree seen so many managers like that in my time and am just escaping from working under one who never left me and the team be to just get on with it.
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I remember a quote from Noel Cantwell some years back. He signed to United from Coventry in the early 60's. He went to Busby before the game and said 'What are our tactics today?', to which a puzzled Busby adroitly periled 'You're playing left back in a 4-3-3 formation. You're playing for Manchester United - I expect you to adapt the game however it goes. I wouldn't have bought you if I didn't think you were capable of that'.
Too many good players have been overloaded with junk and instructions under Mourino. He's not the only one, but to take top talents and then do everything in your power to change the way they play is nuts.
I think it's an ego thing with Jose - he just can't accept anything unless he's put his stamp on it, so he therefore gets the glory.
posted on 1/1/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Out of the three managers we got, I hated his time the most. Moyes was not up to it and just a terrible decision. LVG I still to this day maintain we should've kept him- he never lost the players.
With Mourinho, forget the results for one minute, he was as toxic as they come. He was the real virus. What he did to Martial and Rashford after purchasing Sanchez is crime against football. He should stand trial for that
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‘Stand trial’
Wow, loser
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Still butthurt Mou got sacked
posted on 2/1/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 day ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Out of the three managers we got, I hated his time the most. Moyes was not up to it and just a terrible decision. LVG I still to this day maintain we should've kept him- he never lost the players.
With Mourinho, forget the results for one minute, he was as toxic as they come. He was the real virus. What he did to Martial and Rashford after purchasing Sanchez is crime against football. He should stand trial for that
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‘Stand trial’
Wow, loser
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Maybe not a trial, then.
A court Martial though.