“If you want him to go, then you clearly didn’t watch Napoli last season."
“His team got 91 points FFS"
“Look at the success he’s had with his style of play, he will come good if we give him time….."
So take away my gripe about his stubbornness and his reluctance to play the younger players……………
You’re right, I didn’t watch Napoli last season, what’s your point? They play in a totally different league and they’re not Chelsea with our squad of players.
His points achievement? Counts for nothing when another team in the same league and in the same season got more points. In the end it won him and Napoli the grand total of feck all. In 98/99 Manchester United got 79 points. Who’s season would you rather have? Napoli’s 17/18 season or United’s 98/99 season
“He’s had success."
In reply to that……………I get that the way each person judges success can be different. But has he? Has he really? If you look at AVB’s CV before he joined us, that could be considered as having more success than Sarri has had. And most Chelsea fans on here were delighted when AVB got the George ‘W.
Remember when we used to take the mick out of Arsenal for going all those years without a trophy? Their football was considered to be pleasing on the eye. Do we really want to just become a reincarnation of them?
At the moment we’re not even playing what I consider attractive football.
The regular defence of Sarri.........
posted on 2/4/19
I don't want to needlessly lambast Jorginho. However, to call him a defensive midfielder is not doing him any justice either - his tackling and defensive positional sense is awful. He is a deep lying playmaker - Sarri doesn't play with defensive midfielders but prefers his "most creative" by which he means his "best passer" in front of defence. We've seen Pirlo do this job for Italy and Xavi was a master for Barca. There was a huge difference though - both players were much better than Jorginho, and both had much better players around them. If Jorginho isn't going to create then we need creative midfielders - so why did Fabregas never play in the same team? Why do we persist with Kovacic?
Jorginho's figures are great for number of passes but not for creativity. He passes the ball backwards and because out defenders (apart from Luiz) are not accomplished on the ball, we often end up in trouble. Also, we never play direct any more. Look at City, they retain possession but they are always going forward and they play a lot of direct balls and turn defences around quickly. We are predictable, a little boring and play all our football in front of the opposition back 4. This is not Jorginho's fault but we'd have better balance with Kante at the back and Loftus Cheek and Barkley in front and playing some direct football from time to time.
posted on 2/4/19
comment by Jose Mourinho, just the Portuguese Fat Sam, teaching 19th century football. Klopp is the better manager, and Eva Caniero was right. #Hazard knows ✌ (U22090)
posted 26 minutes ago
I thought it was DiiickLess11
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posted on 2/4/19
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 19 minutes ago
I don't want to needlessly lambast Jorginho. However, to call him a defensive midfielder is not doing him any justice either - his tackling and defensive positional sense is awful. He is a deep lying playmaker - Sarri doesn't play with defensive midfielders but prefers his "most creative" by which he means his "best passer" in front of defence. We've seen Pirlo do this job for Italy and Xavi was a master for Barca. There was a huge difference though - both players were much better than Jorginho, and both had much better players around them. If Jorginho isn't going to create then we need creative midfielders - so why did Fabregas never play in the same team? Why do we persist with Kovacic?
Jorginho's figures are great for number of passes but not for creativity. He passes the ball backwards and because out defenders (apart from Luiz) are not accomplished on the ball, we often end up in trouble. Also, we never play direct any more. Look at City, they retain possession but they are always going forward and they play a lot of direct balls and turn defences around quickly. We are predictable, a little boring and play all our football in front of the opposition back 4. This is not Jorginho's fault but we'd have better balance with Kante at the back and Loftus Cheek and Barkley in front and playing some direct football from time to time.
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Firstly, it would be unfair to judge Jorginho against the likes of Xavi and Pirlo - two of the greatest players of their generation, and two of the best passers in football history. The bench mark is way too high!
I'm pretty sure the statistics disprove the passes it backwards narrative, but regardless there is room for improvement. I agree his creativity is not the best, but its hardly as bad you make it out. He might have no assists, but he has created plenty of chances from open play this season - he is not stellar in this regard, but certainly not deserving to be lambasted.
The position he plays does require very good passing, particularly under pressure, but his game has never been about being a playmaker. Despite all the acclaim he received last season, he only registered a modest 4 assists.
Your criticisms of him defensively is also extremely unfair. He wins the ball back a lot for the side, and often breaks down attacks. He is averaging as many tackles and interceptions as Fernandinho!
posted on 2/4/19
"There was some uncomfortable viewing for the Manchester United fans at half-time.
Wolves put the highlights of their recent FA Cup quarter-final win on the two big screens in the opposite corners of the stadium.
Bit harsh that."
From the BBC just now, I bet Wahl would be furious right now if he's gone to Molineux tonight
posted on 2/4/19
comment by The Black Hawk War, or, How to Demolish an Entire Civilization and Still Feel Good About Yourself in the Morning (U16342)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 19 minutes ago
I don't want to needlessly lambast Jorginho. However, to call him a defensive midfielder is not doing him any justice either - his tackling and defensive positional sense is awful. He is a deep lying playmaker - Sarri doesn't play with defensive midfielders but prefers his "most creative" by which he means his "best passer" in front of defence. We've seen Pirlo do this job for Italy and Xavi was a master for Barca. There was a huge difference though - both players were much better than Jorginho, and both had much better players around them. If Jorginho isn't going to create then we need creative midfielders - so why did Fabregas never play in the same team? Why do we persist with Kovacic?
Jorginho's figures are great for number of passes but not for creativity. He passes the ball backwards and because out defenders (apart from Luiz) are not accomplished on the ball, we often end up in trouble. Also, we never play direct any more. Look at City, they retain possession but they are always going forward and they play a lot of direct balls and turn defences around quickly. We are predictable, a little boring and play all our football in front of the opposition back 4. This is not Jorginho's fault but we'd have better balance with Kante at the back and Loftus Cheek and Barkley in front and playing some direct football from time to time.
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Firstly, it would be unfair to judge Jorginho against the likes of Xavi and Pirlo - two of the greatest players of their generation, and two of the best passers in football history. The bench mark is way too high!
I'm pretty sure the statistics disprove the passes it backwards narrative, but regardless there is room for improvement. I agree his creativity is not the best, but its hardly as bad you make it out. He might have no assists, but he has created plenty of chances from open play this season - he is not stellar in this regard, but certainly not deserving to be lambasted.
The position he plays does require very good passing, particularly under pressure, but his game has never been about being a playmaker. Despite all the acclaim he received last season, he only registered a modest 4 assists.
Your criticisms of him defensively is also extremely unfair. He wins the ball back a lot for the side, and often breaks down attacks. He is averaging as many tackles and interceptions as Fernandinho!
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I will try and find an article I saw a month or so back about Jorginho's passing and how it was largely passive or some might say negative. The comparison to Xavi was certainly not to do with ability - that's nowhere near being a contest, but positionally as a playmaker. Pick the ball up in defence, roll it to a centre back, get it back, to a midfielder, get it back, to Messi, get it back etc advancing all the time - and advancing QUICKLY. Jorginho is too slow and cumbersome to be effective but my point was actually that it is not all his fault - our midfielders aren't of the required type or quality to play that way. And I have my doubts about his overall quality too.
posted on 2/4/19
Yesssss
posted on 2/4/19
From the BBC just now, I bet Wahl would be furious right now if he's gone to Molineux tonight
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Oh I get it, I might have gone to Molineux because I'm a Man Utd fan ha ha ha joke not funny anymore.
posted on 3/4/19
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 4 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 11 minutes ago
What I dislike is that Loftus Cheek and Hudson Odoi would be more dynamic than Pedro/Kovacic etc. And David Luiz's form warrants more Christensen starts. We also have no plan be when plan A (pass the ball to Jorginho) is not working - and it hasn't for a while.
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I spent a couple of hours arguing this last night...apparently Jorginho is brilliant and we don't all see what benefit he brings...
it has me stumped, same with Kovacic
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Seriously? That was not the argument, you’ve just misconstrued it to suit your own narrative. If you are still wondering why other posters don’t bother to validate their opinion with you, it’s because it’s like debating with an amnesiac.
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I gave up on the likes of Sheriff and Oscar years ago
posted on 3/4/19
that's ok...none taken...sorry for having the odd opinion on this debating forum
posted on 3/4/19
Dont even know what to say anymore on the Topic