It's current form is shambolic. I do see the principle of VAR as a positive, but the PL version is currently not fit for purpose. Extensive delays in the game only to come up with incorrect decisions seems to becoming more frequent. The Dele Alli handball was as clear a plenty as you will likely see in a game of football, yet it took around 5 minutes to look at only to get the call wrong.
I've seen other versions of VAR namely in the CL and the WC, and whilst they are not perfect (I don't expect it to be) the issues are minimal compared to the PL version.
I was very much in favour of video technology in football, (still am) but this version is more of an argument against it than for it. Interested to know if regular match going fan have had their match day experience enhanced, worsened or not impacted at all by VAR.
Weekly VAR moan
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 12 minutes ago
What you need to ask yourselves is how much you loved football before VAR.
Why was it the most beloved sport on the Continent and most of the world?
The fact that it wasn’t scientific was part of the charm. Football is a warts n all game. You take the bad with the good. Some decisions go for you and some go against but that never stopped people turning up in their thousands week after week to cheer on their team.
Get rid of VAR - the worst thing to ever happen to the beautiful imperfect game.
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There is technology in almost all sport now. Are you saying football is special?
Other sports have found ways to make technology work to their advantage and the same should happen in football IMOm
posted on 4/11/19
Once again the arrogance in the English game has led to them taking VAR, that worked in other countries and at the World Cup and put forward their own adaptation. First of all they decided not to implement it, when everybody else did last season and then decided they would do things differently.
They had advised referees not to look at the screen on the side. They have colluded to make incorrect calls correct, with evidence of video on Saturday of them moving lines and drawing diagonal lines instead of straight ones. They will then say that correct calls are in the high 90 percent. It appears to me that referees are trying to prove that they don't need VAR. If I'm not mistaken they didn't have a representative at the last World Cup, which shows how highly they're rated.
VAR is not the problem, how it is being used is the problem. Perhaps there should be a group of retired referees, independant from current referees, where they don't manipulate the lines, to make it appear correct.
I don't expect perfection, just fairness. Which is what VAR has brought everywhere else but the PL.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 12 minutes ago
What you need to ask yourselves is how much you loved football before VAR.
Why was it the most beloved sport on the Continent and most of the world?
The fact that it wasn’t scientific was part of the charm. Football is a warts n all game. You take the bad with the good. Some decisions go for you and some go against but that never stopped people turning up in their thousands week after week to cheer on their team.
Get rid of VAR - the worst thing to ever happen to the beautiful imperfect game.
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There is technology in almost all sport now. Are you saying football is special?
Other sports have found ways to make technology work to their advantage and the same should happen in football IMOm
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I think it is unique yes. In tennis, every single shot has to objectively fall within the lines of the court. Not 10%, or 50% or even 99% - but all shots.
Football is a game of interpretation. This week alone should tell you that. You can’t apply a scientific blanket to the merits of intent / force etc.
posted on 4/11/19
Time for AI refs. It is still human error that is the issue so we need to get rid of humans and use robotic refs. Yet you humans blame VAR to take the attention away from your failure as a species.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Klopptimus Prime - Die Unerträglichen (U1282)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 12 minutes ago
What you need to ask yourselves is how much you loved football before VAR.
Why was it the most beloved sport on the Continent and most of the world?
The fact that it wasn’t scientific was part of the charm. Football is a warts n all game. You take the bad with the good. Some decisions go for you and some go against but that never stopped people turning up in their thousands week after week to cheer on their team.
Get rid of VAR - the worst thing to ever happen to the beautiful imperfect game.
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There is technology in almost all sport now. Are you saying football is special?
Other sports have found ways to make technology work to their advantage and the same should happen in football IMOm
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I think it is unique yes. In tennis, every single shot has to objectively fall within the lines of the court. Not 10%, or 50% or even 99% - but all shots.
Football is a game of interpretation. This week alone should tell you that. You can’t apply a scientific blanket to the merits of intent / force etc.
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What about Rugby and a gazillion other sports? Are they not sports of interpretation?
VAR is not purposed to "apply a scientific blanket to merits of intent/force". The same way it was down to the ref to decide these things before VAR, so it should be after VAR, only this time that same ref will have the benefit of a replay before deciding if there was intent or too much force etc.
The manner of implementation is giving different results and that's where the problem is.
posted on 4/11/19
VAR asks fans to abandon sportsmanship. You'd take a bad decision before because it's swings and roundabouts. Is that what we're seeing here? VAR should remove the doubt and help correct decisions be made. But judgment is still out on it. Would human error be more potable than it mistakes? I don't know. The full on rage against decisions shouldn't be lost and now we have that with a computer.
posted on 4/11/19
VAR asks fans to abandon sportsmanship. You'd take a bad decision before because it's swings and roundabouts. Is that what we're seeing here? VAR should remove the doubt and help correct decisions be made. But judgment is still out on it. Would human error be more potable than it mistakes? I don't know. The full on rage against decisions shouldn't be lost and now we have that with a computer.
posted on 4/11/19
Hackett, former boss of PGMOL, was on Talksport(I know but I really wanted to hear opinions on the offside) this morning stating what I said earlier - current refs should not be the VAR, it should be retired refs. What could be his reason for saying that?
For me he also believes that they are attempting not to change decisions, either to back up their mates or to keep the stats high.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 4 hours, 32 minutes ago
VAR asks fans to abandon sportsmanship. You'd take a bad decision before because it's swings and roundabouts. Is that what we're seeing here? VAR should remove the doubt and help correct decisions be made. But judgment is still out on it. Would human error be more potable than it mistakes? I don't know. The full on rage against decisions shouldn't be lost and now we have that with a computer.
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No, VAR us supposed to increase sportsmanship by getting more decisions correct and punishing players for diving rather than giving penalties and sending players off when it has been missed the first time.
posted on 4/11/19
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Hackett, former boss of PGMOL, was on Talksport(I know but I really wanted to hear opinions on the offside) this morning stating what I said earlier - current refs should not be the VAR, it should be retired refs. What could be his reason for saying that?
For me he also believes that they are attempting not to change decisions, either to back up their mates or to keep the stats high.
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Makes sense. Conflict of interest.